http://www.watchtower.org/thetruth
in case you have friendly html errors turned on, here's the output i get from the watchtower's site when i go searching for thetruth:.
it's nice to see them admitting it.
THAT is a work of art I tell you!
They liken their light to "tacking" like a ship that zig zags to and fro - it still makes progress.
I gave this example to a witness cousin: If you ask directions to my place & you get lost, then you ask again & I tell you & you still get lost...now this becomes a habit - I would think that you were just not listening to what I had to say.
so elders are supposed to simultaneously be:.
amateur psychologists.
amateur family counselors.
If they can't even read even the NWT properly ...... how amateur are we talking here???
baby baby??
we have a new poster named bagira!.
welcome, bagira!!!.
whether you step on toes or not, some here will like you, and others, meh, not so much.
Hello newbie 2.
Hope to see more of you.
lou
even now, i still battle with a silly fear of if something might have demons or not...i know it is silly, really, i do, but i haven't been able to get over it completely yet.
does anyone have any suggetions for me?
thanks beth
Well I can honestly say that I believe that demons / satan exists. " The greatest trick satan came up with was to make ppl believe he doesn't exist" From som movie - thought it was good.
Why do I know they exist - I've had experiences. I was 17 when I first had an experience. I was dead asleep when I literally bolted up and put my hands to my face, the one side of my face was coved in blood. Now I'm not talking a popped pimple, a scratch - I'm talking congealed blood. So I get up and go to the bathroom - so I'm pretty much wide awake, wash the blood off & look for marks or something to explain where this blood came from. Nothing. At the time there was a guy that my father (not ever a witness) allowed to stay at the home was into demonology and that....
A few other experiences, I've been awake and paralysed, I've been awake and spoken out loud but it wasn't my voice than came out of my mouth, I've been awake and seen a spirit in the form of a wild looking dog pounce upon me, I've even known when I was going to get 'attacked'. My last 'attack' came before I left the organisation. On most occassions I couldn't speak because of the pressure & even when I could and called on Jehovah, it would continue. Merely saying Gods' name doesn't make a difference. On each occassion I've never been afraid - demons don't scare me as I knew I believed in something stronger.
They no longer bother me as 1. I'm not longer in the organisation 2. I'm filled with Christ & we know where Christ dwells there is no darkness and nothing has power there.
But that is just me.
this is an email my sister receieved (i know im bad but she just left it running here how can you expect me not to) talking about the "dating scene" of jw youth, specifically girls.
we all know these guys... you'd think they'd change up their routine!
theocratic lookout .
miss conventions??? never!!!! What that discribes is exactly spot on. All of them including the so called shulamite maiden are more worried about looking good, getting picked than what's actaully going on. It's a blinking cattle parade that's what it is.
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this is an entry i made into a diary from about 4 12 years ago - 6mths before we finally left.......
"summer hols have come and gone...... not one jw asked to play with my lovely children - sick people" .
Check your Prem - yeah it's probably because she's new and they're still showering her with love. Wait a while - till you've been for a number of years.
What I didn't do for people - I enjoyed sharing everything I had with my "friends". Went on vacation with some of them.
At my committee case I said to the elders (after attending another church) That the love I saw these so called wordly people showing to one another was amazing. That I was jealous that "we" The so called truth didn't have this love. I reminded them that the 2 most important commandments in the bible were 1, Love Jehovah with your whole heart, mind, soul, strength and 2. Love your neighbour as yourself......I was told by the elders that love wasn't everything. Amazing cos when I read in Acts or it could be Corinthians that without no matter what gift you had it meant nothing. . . .
as a few of you know now from my posts i've recently left the organisation & it's lies behind.
it's truly a wonderful sense of freedom.
what i'd like to know from you guys is when you left, what did you do then?
Thank you so much for your support. It's great to know that there are people out there going through or that have been through the same thing. I must say that i don't want to leave one religion and dive headlessly into another - I went to a couple their church services and appreciated in a weird sense that everything they taught went against what I believed.
I haven't been back for about 2 months as I know I need to look into this myself - I don't need to go from a JW God to a Born Again God. I'm open to everything these days & it's so wonderful knowing that I have the freedom to talk , to challenge , to discuss different beleifs.
ljwtiamb - it's not the easiest thing to do but I just came to the realisation that I no longer trusted the organisation - they had lied so much - I'm still finding out about all their prophesies - ah and just so much other stuff.
AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH.....IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS ONES' SELF.
Yes I do celebrate birthdays - YAY - Birthday cake will not kill you. (even christmas last year - though I still felt a bit 'scared'. But I did go all out - Tree, Lights, Decorations, Pressies, Lunch - you name it - It was like I was a kid again. GREAT!)
Like I said - I feel like a baby learning all over again. Please anyone feel free to express what your beliefs are - I'm open to discussion & good debate.
As for extra terrestrial beings - I haven't ruled that out either. I"ve been having the most healthy debate with a 'wordly' uncle.
Grace to all.
my cousin witness has replied to my email asking how things were going and that i haven?t heard from him in awhile.
after responding that he was doing ok he asked if what he had heard through the grapevine was true.
is it true that you wrote a letter to the local congregation denouncing your faith??.
JT - Amazing that they think because you leave the organisation that you've left God! They feel we are heading down the broad and spacious road with destruction at the end of it. They place more importance on relationships with the society/organisation instead of God. Hang in there.
Remember Jesus words when he said "any that have left lands, friends & family for my sake will be rewarded 10 fold"
a "sister" from a neighboring hall started walking up to my window with her bible and the magazines.. i didn't know who she was, but i said "oh shit!
" and dropped the book.
she came up and i did the friendly "hahah .
Don't even joke IP_SEC - I have a book in my little library called "the magic of Sex" The looks I got from some Witties going through my books.
Vonderbaaaaar
i think most of us here agree that our past belief in the jw organization as being god's sole chosen people was delusional on our part.
for myself, when i lost that delusion (fairly abruptly too), i came out of a long period of depression immediately.
while i was incredibly angry at having been decieved, i can't say that that anger translated into any other negatives, in fact, overall, i think my general level of anger, even at elders/the gb/etc subsided, as i now understood why they do what they do even better than they themselves understand it.
I always had a few doubts, but was never brave enough to express them, and the little research I did was through their own publications, which didn't yield much. I kinda just lulled myself into a fake sense of security for a while. After bumping into a self DA'd ex friend and going with her to church -- I was eaten up by guilt , thought I'd sinned & ran headlong to the elders. That is when I found the strength to question everything. I'm so glad that I did - I finally wasn't scared of them, though for the first 2 months I felt immense pressure from family & elders, spent many nights crying myself to sleep, kinda thought I was going insane. But Now I look back and feel extremely relived & free, this burdon has been lifted & no longer do I feel guilty or that I'm wrong.
Soon to be DF'ed
