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  I feel trapped...I might return to the Borg....

  by JustHuman14 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have being thinking quite a while before posting.

  actually i haven't post for quite a long in the forum and i guess i'm one of the old ones, since i became member since 2001.. after leaving the borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago.

  you can see my relevant post:.

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  vinman

  Read the book : Exiting the JW Cult by Bonnie Zieman. 30 years into the Watchtower and then became a psychologist. The book is up to date. Helps you through your feelings. Hope it works out for you.
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  Ray Franz who gave us insight into the GB due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have. I mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. How stupid can you be? In Search of Christian Freedom? Really? How can anyone with half a brain believe such a thing? I mean, if Ray Franz was alive tdoay and he came and visited this site, I would tell him that he better get an education so he could improve. his critical thinking skills. What an idiot.....just saying.
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  why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL

  by Tater-T in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me

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  vinman

  bellesmile:

  Oh I guess you will believe it if it is on an episode Dexter. Never mind, myyy baaad, lmao!

  I have read a couple of your posts. While I'll be honest, I don't exactly like some of your language ( no offense) , I like your "critical thinking" that everyone on this site thinks they have mastered and have all the answers ( sort of like the GB). While I like sharing thoughts from time to time, this place can be laughable. Just because you can question things, doesn't mean you should question every piece of common sense. Anyway, keep it up.

  
  
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  What Convinced you to Leave?

  by LaurenM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been posting here a lot, but these last few weeks have been very difficult for me.

  anyways, lately, i've been thinking about confessing everything i've done to the elders and going back, but deep down, i don't really think it's the truth...so my question is, what convinced you it wasn't the truth and that leaving wasn't a horrible decision that everyone in the truth makes it out to be?

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  When I seen the bold face lie about the Watchtower never writing a biography of Russell in the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Divine Purpose book and then seeing the actal pdf of that biography. Finding out how they deceptively hid the fact that we worshipped Jesus till1954. Finally, by reading old books and finding out that 1914 did not originate with Bible Students but came from Second Adventists. Once I found these things, it was a green light to do deeper research without guilt. It is interesting, that for most of us, the things that awakened us, are not the things that keep us out. When you continue to research, a much larger, frightening picture emerges. One of mind control, the organization is all about money, the deception is EVERYWHERE. I was a true hardcore believer all my life. When I say that, I mean I loved the organization and the Bible. It was all I thought about. So for me to leave, it would take undeniable proof. If I could be proved wrong, I would go back. I was a very happy person in the organization. Of coarse, I was very busy within, which is what the organization wants. Feel free to send a message to my box anytime if you have any questions.
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  Hebrew Was The First Language

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to the newest watchtower:.

  jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.

  god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.

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  vinman

  Two sides to EVERY story.
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  why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL

  by Tater-T in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me

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  I am no longer a witness. But my love of Yahweh and his Son was never based on Watchtower. I respect other people's opinions. I will never resort to name calling or speaking my thoughts in an arrogant manner. But I will share what affected me and for those who care, what has kept me on track. I meditated on this and of course my thoughts are in brackets.

  Thus says Yahweh: Cursed is the man ( intentionally or not I am receiving the affects of trusting 7 men all my life) who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from Yahweh. ( common after leaving Watchtower)- Jeremiah 17:5

  Jeremiah, 17:6 - For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good comes, ( leaving the tower is traumatic and many lives do not turn out well due to fact that they did not see good when it came, that of leaving Watchtower) but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, a salt land and not inhabited.
  Anyway, I am not preaching. But for those who are still believers, you might like this.
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  why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL

  by Tater-T in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me

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  Copied and pasted: Jesus' suffering and torture shows the hatred and cruelty of humanity. Satan's hatred of God and His Son Jesus were the motivation behind the extreme torture and abuse. The suffering of Jesus is an example of how sinful man feels toward a holy God (Romans 3:10-18).

  
  Isaiah 53:3-5 says, "He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."
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  Cognitive Dissonance Runs Deep

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while it is true that maybe 1 or 2 things woke you up (like myself), it is interesting to reflect on the reality of what you did not believe, even if you were a true believer and would of died for the organization.

  here is my list (not a complete list, i'm sure their is more).

  what is your list like?.

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  vinman

  The problem with this and any cult, is that all the things mentioned by all of you is not taught un the Bible Teach, Knowledge, Truth, etc. books. Imagine if it was. Absolutely no one would become a JW. Wack Pack incorporated.
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  Help me Out Here

  by vinman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been out about 9 months.

  and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.

  i've been married 23 years.

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  I guess my problem is, currently I am obsessed with ex- JW stuff. I sit down to drink coffee after work, and all I can do is read everything ex-JW. I can't get enough. It is all I think about. How long does this continue? Reading a lot must come with the PTSD. We have avoided knowledge for so long. We are like a child in a library. I can't say I hate that organization enough!
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  the wonderful world wde witnessing work----or is it ?

  by stan livedeath in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hiding behind the literature stand in a litter strewn empty shop doorway.. .

  is this what the witnessing has now dumbed down to ?.

  who's bringing reproach on jehovah's name now ?.

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  vinman

  Just plain depressing. I'm so glad I never had a chance to do that crap. Just think, the GB orders them to do such. That is why I couldn't fade slowly. One day I was at the meeting, the next , vanished. Just couldn't handle the GB telling me what to do and how to do it.