At that link above, the following explains the other names on the pyramid:
The author states that all the Bethel family members will have space there; this is when the Bethel family numbered under 300.
Cathy
www.oldlighthousebooks.com
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Russell's Gravesite Pictures - (just got back from Pittsburgh)
by thecarpenter inwell folks, got back from my trip to see russell's grave site.
it was quite a interesting experience and sobering to see the pyramid right by his tombstone.
i'm kind of tired and will be hitting the sack soon but i wanted to post a few pictures.
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Russell's Gravesite Pictures - (just got back from Pittsburgh)
by thecarpenter inwell folks, got back from my trip to see russell's grave site.
it was quite a interesting experience and sobering to see the pyramid right by his tombstone.
i'm kind of tired and will be hitting the sack soon but i wanted to post a few pictures.
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There's more info at http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/russellpyramid.html. I've been trying to post quotes, but keep getting a system error when I hit "Submit Post."
Cathy
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Russell's Gravesite Pictures - (just got back from Pittsburgh)
by thecarpenter inwell folks, got back from my trip to see russell's grave site.
it was quite a interesting experience and sobering to see the pyramid right by his tombstone.
i'm kind of tired and will be hitting the sack soon but i wanted to post a few pictures.
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There is an old 'Bible Students Convention' pamphlet that gives some details on the pyramid. I believe that all of his books as well as a few other items are in a sealed metal box that is in the center of it.
I heard from a Witness that the pyramid was broken into and the box stolen, but I haven't confirmed this yet. The person told me what was supposed to be in it; I'll have to ask again. Whatever was in there, it was probably rare today.
Cathy
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Please Share a few of Your All-Time Favorite Movies
by flipper inthought this would be interesting.
easy subject.
personally i have a few.
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Chariots of Fire
Emma (with Kate Beckinsale)
Pride and Prejudice (TV Miniseries with Colin Firth)
Lost in Translation
Groundhog Day
The Palm Beach Story
Christmas in July
Miracle of Morgan's Creek
The General (silent, with Buster Keaton; lots of his short subjects would make the list)
Duck Soup
Horse Feathers
A Man for All Seasons
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What Happened to the Downloaded Info from Kents Site?
by NewLight2 ini thought that someone(s) were working on getting that info back up on the internet.
if it is up and running, where is it at?
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BTW: Both of your "new" links were already included in my last post.
BAD Cathy! No biscuit!
Cathy
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Never a JW, what makes you post here?
by Mrs Smith inin some of the post i read, people say that they have never been a jw.
what makes them post on this forum?
my only guess would be because they have family or friends that are.. .
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cathyk, that is so cool! You're like a Witness fan like others are Elvis fans.
Yeah, except without the fried pb & banana sandwiches.
"Elvis isn't dead -- he just went home." -- Men in Black
Cathy
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What Happened to the Downloaded Info from Kents Site?
by NewLight2 ini thought that someone(s) were working on getting that info back up on the internet.
if it is up and running, where is it at?
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There's a cool site I heard about on an NPR science program: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php. It's got a function called "The Wayback Machine," named after a Saturday morning cartoon, "Sherman and Peabody," about a boy and his dog who go back in history and help historical figures get it right. :-) If you plug in "watchtower.observer.org" in the search box, you'll get a snapshot of the site in various years, from 1998 to 2005.
Cathy
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Never a JW, what makes you post here?
by Mrs Smith inin some of the post i read, people say that they have never been a jw.
what makes them post on this forum?
my only guess would be because they have family or friends that are.. .
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I'm just interested in the history and theology from an outsider standpoint. I don't have any family or friends who are JWs. I became interested in it during the run-up to 1975, when I was in high school. They were all over the place, knocking at our doors practically every other Saturday. I started to collect the books and magazines, etc.
I found discussion sites like this in the early days of the Internet, and found the stories of life inside the movement fascinating.
Cathy
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Book: The Inside Story of Jehovah's Witnesses, Stevenson, 1968
by betterdaze inthe inside story of jehovah's witnesses .
stevenson, william charles, 1936- .
publisher: hart pub.
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Just following up, in case anyone's interested. The British and American editions don't seem to have any differences other than the dust jackets and the preliminary page ordering (half-title and title pages, dedication, foreword, etc.). British spelling conventions are retained in the American edition.
The British dust jacket has a tarot card with lightning striking a tower and two people falling from it (Harry Potter fans, take note: "The Lightning-Struck Tower" ). The American dust jacket (which my copy is missing, but I remember it, vaguely) is an illustration of a man handing out one of the magazines, either The Watchtower or Awake!; I can't remember which one.
Cathy
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Could I please see a :Vow"
by Doug Mason ineach member of the religious order of ordained ministers belonging to the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah's witnesses has taken a vow of poverty.. i would like to see a scan (jpg, gif, etc) of the "vow" they take (personal names blackened, of course).. in the meantime, while waiting for a scan, i would like to know the wording of the vow.. the watch tower has used the presence of this religious order to claim financial benefits provided to religious bodies, particularly taxation relief (see, for example: http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/tc4708a.htm).
so this shows one purpose of "the order".. it is not clear how the orders existence will impact on the organizations evolution.
change is inevitable, with time-related issues pressing on the organization, particularly those related to 1914, 1919 and 1935.. the organization also has to address its dwindling numbers of anointed (the 144,000) and that virtually none has any impact on the teachings.
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They used to have a different view of "vows of poverty":
*** w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions From Readers ***Nor are Scriptural vows to be compared with the so-called ‘monastic vows’ that persons in later centuries were required to make in order to gain admittance into certain religious orders of church organizations. Those vows of ‘chastity, poverty and obedience’ placed those vowing under obligation to the religious orders and served those orders as a means of exercising control over their adherents. Higher church officials could absolve persons from certain types of vows, but with some vows release could be gained only through the titular head of the church, as in the papal arrangement. These, then, are not Scriptural vows, for Scriptural vows were entirely spontaneous and personal, between the individual and God. Furthermore, under the Law, although a woman’s vow might be disallowed by her husband, or father (within a certain time after being made), in other cases no human could grant one release from a Scriptural vow.—Num. 30:3-15.
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***w828/15p.15InsightontheNews***Individuals were told that they could keep on with their secular employment yet be tax free by starting their own church chartered by the Life Science Church. They could then either donate up to 50 percent of their earnings to the church and substantially reduce their taxes or take a vow of poverty and give all their earnings and property to the church. The church would then pay all expenses and the individual would be tax exempt, it was claimed. The court rejected such argument. "The ruling," said Daniel Kurtz of the state attorney general’s office, "would encourage the state to pursue other organizations and individuals seeking tax exemption under the guise of religion."
True Christians would not want to take deductions that are not allowed by their governments (as ministers or otherwise), but as Romans 13:7 counsels they will render to "him who calls for the tax, the tax." They do not use their ministry as a means for evading taxes.
As a Catholic, I found the changes in terminology ("Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses" [!]) highly amusing ...
Cathy