there have been a number of posts made about the watchtower society closing or downsizing branch offices and i think the hard consequences of this desperate move have not been fully appreciated.. ok, so you have c.o.
's all over the place and who do they report to exactly?
i believe various brothers (and lawyers) have pointed out the danger of having a catholic style chain of command and centralized leadership.
Metatron --- I've always enjoyed your posts when i've time to check out this site. THEY GIVE ME HOPE! I hope they have to liquidate Brooklyn in this pathetic market but with billions to maneuver surely they can hang on. Maybe they'll choke w/the cash flow situation.
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there have been a number of posts made about the watchtower society closing or downsizing branch offices and i think the hard consequences of this desperate move have not been fully appreciated.. ok, so you have c.o.
's all over the place and who do they report to exactly?
i believe various brothers (and lawyers) have pointed out the danger of having a catholic style chain of command and centralized leadership.
With billions (from sale of property), free labor and stealing of estates off the aging baby boomers --- can't they last? Even with God's gift of truth of the internet, adherents won't leave their life-long friends and fantasies - right.
Any positive views that it will crumble --- any REAL HOPE?
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have recently tried a community organization and it seems to be the same drama as watchtower --- a hierarchy and power plays, omigoodness!
nancy drew mentioned staying away from these (smart idea) but thinking they're community driven (this one i've joined is barely hanging on because of aging membership and involves a lot of work, meetings) but people join to meet friends, to be social, bla bla.
they do donate to a charity or two (very little w/limited funds) but not much, and feel it's not worth all the work/effort involved if they can't help the community which is suffering.
thanks for your help. Need to try to find the right group that is really contributing to society.
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have recently tried a community organization and it seems to be the same drama as watchtower --- a hierarchy and power plays, omigoodness!
nancy drew mentioned staying away from these (smart idea) but thinking they're community driven (this one i've joined is barely hanging on because of aging membership and involves a lot of work, meetings) but people join to meet friends, to be social, bla bla.
they do donate to a charity or two (very little w/limited funds) but not much, and feel it's not worth all the work/effort involved if they can't help the community which is suffering.
Do you have any groups to recommend. maybe the food shelters, homeless shelters, orphanages are not such hostile environments. do most churches have these programs to help the less fortunate.
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have recently tried a community organization and it seems to be the same drama as watchtower --- a hierarchy and power plays, omigoodness!
nancy drew mentioned staying away from these (smart idea) but thinking they're community driven (this one i've joined is barely hanging on because of aging membership and involves a lot of work, meetings) but people join to meet friends, to be social, bla bla.
they do donate to a charity or two (very little w/limited funds) but not much, and feel it's not worth all the work/effort involved if they can't help the community which is suffering.
Have recently tried a community organization and it seems to be the same drama as watchtower --- a hierarchy and power plays, omigoodness! Nancy Drew mentioned staying away from these (smart idea) but thinking they're community driven (this one i've joined is barely hanging on because of aging membership and involves a lot of work, meetings) but people join to meet friends, to be social, bla bla. they do donate to a charity or two (very little w/limited funds) but not much, and feel it's not worth all the work/effort involved if they can't help the community which is suffering.
any experiences out there --- it's very stressful to me and a pecking order like the borg.
thanks.
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i want to take this opportunity to say goodbye to all of the members on jwn and thank you for your support over the years.. circumstances have arisen that make it impossible for me to continue posting here.. i have truly appreciated your love and support during some hard times when i had no one else to talk to.. you showed compassion and a non-judgmental, christlike attitude for thoughts and feelings that could not be openly expressed to any of the brothers in the congregation for fear of reprisal.
for that, i am so grateful!.
thanks to the many of you that could relate to the pain and worthlessness that i have felt about myself for so many years because of my experiences and upbringing in the truth.
hope you return someday. have enjoyed your posts and seems i first read one of them yrs. ago on H20? unfortunately, i'm sporadic on these boards due to being too busy and have missed much needed information.
have you considered one of the co-dependent meetups. you can check out information under cOda.org for meetings. they are everywhere in the world (just about) to help individuals deal w/their past and present, such as family of origin, or anything that has caused depression, pain, etc. they teach the fact generally one develops a drinking problem or a compulsion or addictive behavior (even religion) because they didn't have the skills and knowledge/introspection to deal w/life or what survival skills we used growing up to SURVIVE worked at that time but never really corrected the problems. something like that. i think it's an unbelievable life-skills program and have friends who have really benefitted and changed their lives.
best to you and take care.
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they seem quite content to do that to you.
why not just let them live their futile, dysfunctional lives and let time be the judge?.
Sometimes when they aren't in the so called "truth," it's still a horror story. I avoid being a target w/my family of origin (mother, sister) and sister stopped the borg about the same time i left, psycho mother never a witness. Accepting reality is so hard and boundaries don't work because they are jealous and crazy. I can't imagine losing good family members because the religion mandates shunning. SICK.
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the watchtower has an achilles heel that few seem to have noticed: every change must be interpreted as a victory.
for them, this goes well beyond the sort of hype and 'spin' that would be expected from a government or ordinary corporation.
the reason why is obviously because they feel that their whole mythical reputation as god's chosen organization is on the line, with everything they do.. even rank false prophesy by them gets redirected as ' they were really unfaithful and just serving towards a date' (what, the date you provided??).
WTWizard --- i cannot stop laughing when i read your posts. KINGDUMB MALADIES --- love your terminology. is there a real term for substituting words like you do called mala-props???? there is a word, but i obviously can't remember.
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for they, alone, have apparently been able to do for some what no other religion, teaching, philosophy, belief, or faith, was able to do: turn some completely away from the most holy one of israel, jah of armies.
may you all have peace.... of course, such ones may want to attribute their "change of heart" to something they call "atheism", but that really isn't the truth.
atheism didn't call them; atheism was simply the final "oasis" to which they fled when the wtbts proved itself to be a "waterless region"... a wasteland... desolate.
Love your post, Stephen -- this is interesting, S.A.
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first of all, is there a way to keep this topic available?.
some would like to see authoritarian repressive watchtower gone, others want reform among jws now!
... "don't curse the darkness light a candle" - a chinese proverb?.
anything that can help bring it down or force reform --- good news! HOPE SOMEONE COMES UP W/A GREAT GAME PLAN, AND HOPE ESSAN'S info that it's dying a slow, painful death is true.
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