giving no opinion on the trinity I have to ask is your rant meant to show that someone/thing is the opposite of the world that does have what the "world" does not?
Posts by booby
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12Giving the Trinity Doctrine the Coup-De-Grace!
by wannabe init is the one that this world doesn't know, that must request of the father, to give the helper, the holy spirit; the spirit of the truth; then jesus tells us that the world cannot receive of the holy spirit, they neither see him or know him.
" {1 john 5:19 nlt}.
" {1 john 2:27 nlt}.
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JARACZ OBITUARY
by St George of England inso the wts finally got around to writing about him in the november 15, 2010 watchtower.
if you read about his "sincere interest in others was shown by his deep concern that all be treated fairly and mercifully", you may think they have the wrong person!.
george.
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booby
lets have a scan straight from hell
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JARACZ OBITUARY
by St George of England inso the wts finally got around to writing about him in the november 15, 2010 watchtower.
if you read about his "sincere interest in others was shown by his deep concern that all be treated fairly and mercifully", you may think they have the wrong person!.
george.
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booby
Yup. We need a scan because the jw web site pdf is only the study articles. And that also seems to beg the question that since they have been posting the pdf's I wonder why not the full mag of the 15th?
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
Sooo! I would say that we are all basically agreed. Appointed is a bullshit word for this process and I don't even have a replacement word.
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
And one other thing from my perspective. Eldership and spirituality, generally at least, are not bedfellows.
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
I don't want to derail this topic, but Quirky1, does your second to last post reflect your own experience.
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
It would be interesting how many of the comments here are from those who experienced the arrangement from the inside so to speak and how many from the outside. Many of the comments don't jibe with my experience. The one thing that is paramount to this thread "how elders get appointed" is that it has nothing to do with Holy Spirit.
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
I would just like to add one contrasting comment. Just as Clyde of Bonnie _ Clyde made a decision that removed himself from the running shows that not all had arrived at that "prized position" by ass kissing etc. I know that many and in my experience most ended up as elders because they felt it was a "duty" that should be accepted if presented. I also know of ones who held out for as long as they could put up with the derision of other elders innuendo that they were just lazy. Many bodies of elders are always looking for new candidates so as to lighten their own load so to speak. I know that in my own case each assignment was accepted with reluctance and more because I couldn't say no then because I was looking for some kind of glory. Most of being an elder is more a royal pain in the ass then some kind of glory ride.
Having said that I realize that there is that segment that desire and love that position, and they are the ones that are usually the real "pain in the ass" egomaniacs of the elder world I think.
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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booby
I was a brand new recruit in a congregation with not many "educated" ones, a rural area with many farmers and an older demographic. A young co jumped at the chance to get a younger brother helping out in the congregation. So at a young age and new in the truth I was given the privilege of being a "servant" in the congregation. I was used for/in a number of different positions including very quickly the theocratic school overseer. Jump ahead to when it was decided to re-jig the whole arrangement and bring in an arrangement of elders who were "appointed" through holy spirit. For those original elder positions what that amounted to was all who were servants sitting in a big circle and going from on brother to the next deciding if any would/should be excluded for any reason from a list that would be sent (in our case to Toronto) of ones that were approved locally for appointment in bethel. It is obvious that this arrangement had Jah's blessing when you look at the fine Christian progress that has resulted since that time. Yah right!!
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What was it that first got you thinking that the Society was WRONG in how they INTERPRET the BIBLE?
by UnDisfellowshipped inwhat was it that first got you thinking that the society was wrong in how they interpret the bible?.
for me personally, it was the way they always downgrade jesus to be an angel and are promoting the governing body in his place.. also when the society taught that jesus was abaddon/apollyon the fallen angel in revelation..
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booby
oops. I guess that wasn't exactly on topic.