Giving the Trinity Doctrine the Coup-De-Grace!

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  • wannabe
    wannabe

    Giving the Trinity Doctrine the Coup-De Grace!

    Would those who teach the Doctrine of the Trinity be qualified, to explain the Holy Spirit accurately? We know, that in their minds the Holy Spirit is the third person of the God-Head. How does the Bible show us that their reasoning could not possibly be correct?

    Consider, if you will, these following words of the Apostle John:

    10"He was in the World, and the World was made through him, yet the World did not know him." {John 1:10 ESV} Why is it that this World does not know the Christ; and why would it be of crucial importance to the know the Christ accurately? Let's give that a thorough examination, so we will learn that if this World does not know the Christ, they could never deliver an accurate description of the Holy Spirit. Anything they would set forth in description of this same Holy Spirit would of necessity, have to be in error; or an outright lie! In order to do this accurate decription, they would need something from the one they do not know, and not being able to receive that, could never ever set forth an accurate description of the Holy Spirit; in spite of their best efforts. John will tell us just what it is they need, and reveals something that makes it completely impossible for the Trinitarian's to set forth anything that even remotely resembles an accurate decription of the Holy Spirit. Look at what John will tell us next:

    15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17even the Spirit of truth, whom the World cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you." {John 14:15-17 ESV}

    So! It is the one that this World doesn't know, that must request of the Father, to give the Helper, the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of the Truth; then Jesus tells us that the World cannot receive of the Holy Spirit, they neither see him or know him. So! The Trinitarian's lack that main essential ingredient, the Holy Spirit, and lackling that, as they do, they could never in this lifetime, or any other, render an accurate description of the Holy Spirit. Any description they would set forth, would of necessity have to be, at best, faulty reasoning, or as I said, an outright lie! How do we know the Trinitarian's are of this World? Anyone who sets forth a lie, would have to be a part of this devil ruled World; and the Trinity Doctrine is a blatant lie, because lacking the Holy Spirit as they do; they could set forth nothing but a lie! Jesus would never request the Holy Spirit from the Father, for a deliberate liar. The Trinitarian's, and those with their mind-set, would come under the same description as the Isrtaelite Nation, who themselves had reverted over to the seed of satan the devil. Jesus called them: "Serpents, off-spring of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Ge-hen'na," he said. {Matthew 23:33} That is the unenvievable position the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set, find themselves in now. Consider what John has to say about just why they teach the lies that they do; as follows:

    19 "We know that we are Children of God; and that the World around us is under the control of the evil one." {1 John 5:19 NLT}

    So, we find the devil is controlling the minds of these Trinitarian's and those of this World with their mind-set. The Apostle Paul will futher explain that with his words:

    3 "If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." {2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NLT} The Apostle John adds these following words to this:

    9"And the huge dragon was cast down and out--that age-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the World over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him." {Revelation 12:9 AB}

    So! Satan misleads, and leads astray, the entire World of Mankind, Blinding their minds as he holds them all in his Power. Consider something else that puts this World in even more trouble, and dire peril, than they are already in:

    22"The other Judas, not Judas Iscariot, then spoke up and asked, "Lord, what do you mean by saying that you will show us what you are like, but you will not show the people of this World? {John 14:22 CEV}

    25"Good Father, the people of this World don't know you. But I know you, and my followers know that you sent me." {John 17:25 CEV}

    What is the significance of this World not being shown, what Jesus was like? What was the significance of the World not knowing the Father also? Why would they not know what Jesus was like? Why would they not know the Father? Consider the following in explanation:

    11"And he answering said to them, Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of the heavens, but to them {This World} it is not given;" {Matthew 13:10-15 DT} Now consider the words of Luke:

    45 "Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures." {Luke 24:45 NLT}

    Let me now enumerate, what I have gathered thus far! The first point to consider, is, we must have that Holy Spirit. What might be the significance of that? It would be, as John will explain:

    27" But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ." {1 John 2:27 NLT}

    Now that is not too difficult to grasp, is it? Was the Christ to request the Father to give one the Holy Spirit, He/She would be taught the Truth; without any errors or lies intermingled. Was that to be true, you would come to know the Father, you would come to know the Son, you would come to know the Holy spirit. Whereas without the Holy Spirit, operational on you, you would learn nothing at all; you would have no Teacher to teach you the Bible; conversely, without being granted to understand the Holy Writings, without having your minds opened to understand them; your situation would be hopeless.

    You would, in that case, never understand a word of the Bible! At best, you would possess merely a superficial, cursory, knowledge of the Bible, which would avail you absolutely nothing at all. In order to maintain that Teaching instrument, one must remain in fellow-ship with the Christ; lacking the Holy Spirit, as the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set do, along with the entire realm of Religious Christendom; who do not know the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit; because of not being granted to understand the Holy Writings, not having their minds open to grasp their meaning; all they can do is Teach false Teachings, and nothing but. Lying under the power and control of satan the devil, Blinded and misled by him; they all follow the path of the first liar, and the Father of the lie; so that is why we find teachings such as the Trinity Doctrine, the Immortal Soul, the Torment in a fiery Hell. So, the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set, along with the entire Empire of Religious Christendom; are in actuality all Children of satan the devil. So, lets face it! How could anything they teach be of any benefit to any?They are a Body without Spirit, and a Body without Spirit is a life-less corpse, so said the Apostle Janes, and what can the dead teach you that would benefit anyone? {John 8:44} {James 2:26}

    Was there to be any Bugle Players among you, perhaps it may be an idea to Blow Taps over this Blasphemous Teaching of the Trinity; for I have just delivered a final death blow to your lying blasphemous doctrine of the Trinity; call it my Coup-De Grace!

    Giving the Trinity Doctrine another Coup-De Grace!

    Would those who teach the Doctrine of the Trinity be qualified, to explain the Holy Spirit accurately? We know, that in their minds the Holy Spirit is the third person of the God-Head. How does the Bible show us that their reasoning could not possibly be correct?

    Consider, if you will, these following words of the Apostle John:

    10"He was in the World, and the World was made through him, yet the World did not know him." {John 1:10 ESV} Why is it that this World does not know the Christ; and why would it be of crucial importance to the know the Christ accurately? Let's give that a thorough examination, so we will learn that if this World does not know the Christ, they could never deliver an accurate description of the Holy Spirit. Anything they would set forth in description of this same Holy Spirit would of necessity, have to be in error; or an outright lie! In order to do this accurate decription, they would need something from the one they do not know, and not being able to receive that, could never ever set forth an accurate description of the Holy Spirit; in spite of their best efforts. John will tell us just what it is they need, and reveals something that makes it completely impossible for the Trinitarian's to set forth anything that even remotely resembles an accurate decription of the Holy Spirit. Look at what John will tell us next:

    15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17even the Spirit of truth, whom the World cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you." {John 14:15-17 ESV}

    So! It is the one that this World doesn't know, that must request of the Father, to give the Helper, the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of the Truth; then Jesus tells us that the World cannot receive of the Holy Spirit, they neither see him or know him. So! The Trinitarian's lack that main essential ingredient, the Holy Spirit, and lackling that, as they do, they could never in this lifetime, or any other, render an accurate description of the Holy Spirit. Any description they would set forth, would of necessity have to be, at best, faulty reasoning, or as I said, an outright lie! How do we know the Trinitarian's are of this World? Anyone who sets forth a lie, would have to be a part of this devil ruled World; and the Trinity Doctrine is a blatant lie, because lacking the Holy Spirit as they do; they could set forth nothing but a lie! Jesus would never request the Holy Spirit from the Father, for a deliberate liar. The Trinitarian's, and those with their mind-set, would come under the same description as the Isrtaelite Nation, who themselves had reverted over to the seed of satan the devil. Jesus called them: "Serpents, off-spring of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Ge-hen'na," he said. {Matthew 23:33} That is the unenvievable position the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set, find themselves in now. Consider what John has to say about just why they teach the lies that they do; as follows:

    19 "We know that we are Children of God; and that the World around us is under the control of the evil one." {1 John 5:19 NLT}

    So, we find the devil is controlling the minds of these Trinitarian's and those of this World with their mind-set. The Apostle Paul will futher explain that with his words:

    3 "If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." {2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NLT} The Apostle John adds these following words to this:

    9"And the huge dragon was cast down and out--that age-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the World over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him." {Revelation 12:9 AB}

    So! Satan misleads, and leads astray, the entire World of Mankind, Blinding their minds as he holds them all in his Power. Consider something else that puts this World in even more trouble, and dire peril, than they are already in:

    22"The other Judas, not Judas Iscariot, then spoke up and asked, "Lord, what do you mean by saying that you will show us what you are like, but you will not show the people of this World? {John 14:22 CEV}

    25"Good Father, the people of this World don't know you. But I know you, and my followers know that you sent me." {John 17:25 CEV}

    What is the significance of this World not being shown, what Jesus was like? What was the significance of the World not knowing the Father also? Why would they not know what Jesus was like? Why would they not know the Father? Consider the following in explanation:

    11"And he answering said to them, Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of the heavens, but to them {This World} it is not given;" {Matthew 13:10-15 DT} Now consider the words of Luke:

    45 "Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures." {Luke 24:45 NLT}

    Let me now enumerate, what I have gathered thus far! The first point to consider, is, we must have that Holy Spirit. What might be the significance of that? It would be, as John will explain:

    27" But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ." {1 John 2:27 NLT}

    Now that is not too difficult to grasp, is it? Was the Christ to request the Father to give one the Holy Spirit, He/She would be taught the Truth; without any errors or lies intermingled. Was that to be true, you would come to know the Father, you would come to know the Son, you would come to know the Holy spirit. Whereas without the Holy Spirit, operational on you, you would learn nothing at all; you would have no Teacher to teach you the Bible; conversely, without being granted to understand the Holy Writings, without having your minds opened to understand them; your situation would be hopeless.

    You would, in that case, never understand a word of the Bible! At best, you would possess merely a superficial, cursory, knowledge of the Bible, which would avail you absolutely nothing at all. In order to maintain that Teaching instrument, one must remain in fellow-ship with the Christ; lacking the Holy Spirit, as the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set do, along with the entire realm of Religious Christendom; who do not know the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit; because of not being granted to understand the Holy Writings, not having their minds open to grasp their meaning; all they can do is Teach false Teachings, and nothing but. Lying under the power and control of satan the devil, Blinded and misled by him; they all follow the path of the first liar, and the Father of the lie; so that is why we find teachings such as the Trinity Doctrine, the Immortal Soul, the Torment in a fiery Hell. So, the Trinitarian's and those with their mind-set, along with the entire Empire of Religious Christendom; are in actuality all Children of satan the devil. So, lets face it! How could anything they teach be of any benefit to any?They are a Body without Spirit, and a Body without Spirit is a life-less corpse, so said the Apostle Janes, and what can the dead teach you that would benefit anyone? {John 8:44} {James 2:26}

    Was there to be any Bugle Players among you, perhaps it may be an idea to Blow Taps over this Blasphemous Teaching of the Trinity; for I have just delivered a final death blow to your lying blasphemous doctrine of the Trinity; call it my Coup-De Grace!Wannabe

  • sir82
    sir82

    Amazing.

    After 2000 years of debate, the issue is settled.

    Congratulations.

    For your next project, can you tell us where Atlantis was located?

  • booby
    booby

    giving no opinion on the trinity I have to ask is your rant meant to show that someone/thing is the opposite of the world that does have what the "world" does not?

  • booby
    booby

    I know that this is off topic, but having found such a profound intellect, I would like to ask a question. One of the false doctrines of these evil ones is that we have a soul. Actually they refer to it as an immortal soul. Can you tell me what it is that goes to heaven when one like the great anointed Jarasc dies.

  • booby
    booby

    where'd he go? Where did wannabe go?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    The Trinity is NOT a biblical doctrine, it is a man-made one, an attempt of Man to expalin and understand God's nature and that of His Only Son and His Holy SPirit.

    Same can be said for the vast majority of doctrines in all denominations.

    The JW doctrine of Jesus being Michael is another example of man-made doctrine that has nothing to do with the bible.

    There is nothing worng per say with human doctrine, unless those doctrines are sated to be basis for salvation, which the Trinity is NOT.

    You know, it's ok NOT the believe in the Trinity, you don't have to if you don't want to.

    If, to you, the Trinity helps you to understand God, Jesus and the HS better, great.

  • booby
    booby

    So true PSacramento. But you do have to believe the overlapping generation, etc., etc. to keep wannabe and his Ilk happy. If my assumption that wannabe is a jw apologist is wrong, oops my bad and i'm sorry.

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    I quiver in the presence of such an enlightened intellect.

  • booby
    booby

    Looked at some other threads of his and see I might be of base here. But I still chuckle how one person can be so enlightened.

  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    sir82, classic, haha

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