Posts by ackack

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JWs, 7th day Adventist, etc. -- who was first to prohibit tobacco?

by Fatfreek in

as an old timer former jw, i remember well the tobacco prohibition.

when i came in during the mid 50's it was looked down upon.

i'd already started smoking in my early teens and didn't actually quit till i was 20. my motive?

ackack

You think churches are contributing to obesity? <blink> wow... um.. maybe *this* is why the UN will turn on all false religion, heart disease. :)

Yes, compassion is needed, along with proportionality.

Without proportionality in punishment, you encourage people to commit more serious "sins". After all, if the punishment were the same for robbing a bank and robbing a newspaper box, which would you rather do?

This is of course all built upon the premise that the elders should meet out punishment.

ackack

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JWs, 7th day Adventist, etc. -- who was first to prohibit tobacco?

by Fatfreek in

as an old timer former jw, i remember well the tobacco prohibition.

when i came in during the mid 50's it was looked down upon.

i'd already started smoking in my early teens and didn't actually quit till i was 20. my motive?

ackack

Okay then, lets take this a couple of steps further.

Suppose a) A smoker always goes outside to smoke (thereby causing damage only to themselves)

b) An obese person indirectly harms their children by providing high fat snacks and high sugar sodas causing their children to become diabetic.

Which one is the worst sinner? Is it judged by harm to others? Harm to self? Respect for life?

This is the slippery slope of legislating what is a sin and what isn't. What is a disfellowshipping offense and what isn't.

And I'm not even getting into pot smoking which is far less harmful than cigarette smoking. What about pipes and cigars? Is occasional use more harmful than drinking? Than over-eating?

ackack

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JWs, 7th day Adventist, etc. -- who was first to prohibit tobacco?

by Fatfreek in

as an old timer former jw, i remember well the tobacco prohibition.

when i came in during the mid 50's it was looked down upon.

i'd already started smoking in my early teens and didn't actually quit till i was 20. my motive?

ackack

BillyBoy, so then do you feel its hypocritical of the JW's not to df obese people?

Yes, I don't really like the idea of giving wild accusations too much power. Its odd actually, I knew another elder who was removed because of an accusation that turned out to be false as well (wtg, hypnotherapy). Is DNA evidence not permitted as a "second witness"? I hadn't heard that. Thats particularly disgusting (through not surprising) if its true. After all, "worldly" evidence is given a lower weight

ackack

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Attention Elders: Could we get the list of talks, and maybe even some....

by Check_Your_Premises in

of the outlines for said talks.

posting here probably wouldn't be the best thing, but it would be nice if we could get them up at reexamine.org.

for those who never joined, or don't go to the hall regularly, yet have loved ones who do, it would be nice to know what the guy is going to say.. cyp

ackack

Nice. (actually, some other interesting details on http://hufffamily.com/index.html)

However, both are incomplete. There are actually 150+ talk outlines, I'm not sure on the exact count.

ackack

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Scholar JM.

by Narkissos in

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friends

don't know if anybody noticed yet, but i just realised that on january 1st our resident scholar finally graduated as (jedi) master on jwd.... 1000 posts, how many hundreds of "70 years of exile and desolation," "wiley apostates," "brilliant nwt" and "celebrated wt scholars"?.

let's make it happen.

let's have one "celebrated wt scholar".. congrats scholar!.

ackack

You forgot the latest one, "dog's breakfast".

Congrats Scholar

ackack

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Desolation of Jerusalem

by Alwayshere in

using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

ackack

Aparently,

Chronology is: The science that deals with the determination of dates and the sequence of events.

Who would have guessed?

I wonder what method science uses? (hint: its not the force-facts-to-fit-preconceived-notion method)

ackack

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Desolation of Jerusalem

by Alwayshere in

using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

ackack

I have read the flawed attempts to try to salvage the October date (and have referred to them in previous posts, but you probably ignored what I said), and they are quite weak. "Obstinacy" is not a word.

Really? I haven't read any. Last time I checked, officially, the WT did not link WW1 and 1914 together per se. What has the society written about this one? I'm kinda curious.

ackack

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Now on www.reexamine.org - Counsel to Watch Tower Missionaries

by reexaminer in

you can get this on the main downloads page, or directly here: http://www.reexamine.org/images/counseltowatchtowermissionaries.pdf.

contract) between missionaries and the watch tower.

someone would recieve this after completing the giliad training school.. also, we now have the pay attention book, and the od book in polish, as well as german and english.. reexaminer.