Posts by ackack

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To Wt apologists - this is all that mattered to me... please address

by AK - Jeff in

forget all the other smoke.

b-days, xmas, holidays.

forget doctrine issues.

ackack

AlmostAtheist: did someone hi-jack your brain again? you really shouldn't leave it hooked up to the internet without a firewall. :)

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Is the WTBTS set on auto-destruct?

by ackack in

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friends

it seems lately, with more pressure on education, this new insane blood card, is the watchtower just on auto-destruct now?.

seems like they're going for a "double or nothing" approach.

does this seem accurate?.

I can understand the reason to celebrate... but how much damage will it do going down? If someone thinks they're cornered, they'll do maximum damage before they go down. Waco Texas, Jonestown, both examples of that. (Danny Hazard, YES we've seen the pictures... please don't post them again :) )

So there is some worry about family members being hurt in this process.

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Is the WTBTS set on auto-destruct?

by ackack in

jw
friends

it seems lately, with more pressure on education, this new insane blood card, is the watchtower just on auto-destruct now?.

seems like they're going for a "double or nothing" approach.

does this seem accurate?.

ackack

It seems lately, with more pressure on education, this new insane blood card, is the Watchtower just on auto-destruct now?

Seems like they're going for a "double or nothing" approach. Does this seem accurate?

ackack

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

ackack

My parents (who lived through the 1975 stuff) downplayed the date issue. They felt (and I think its prolly sincere) that they shouldn't put too much confidence in a date, and so ignored as best as they could.

There is obviously a fair bit of variance with regards to how much local speakers hyped it up. The talk over on quotes, "Serving With Everlasting Life in View" shows one example of it being hyped.

Regardless, the numbers do not lie. There was a great disappointment after 1975, and this can be seen statistically. Did people get too excited about it? Sure, I'm sure some did, and threw caution to the wind.

My complaint with regards to the Watchtower I suppose would be:

They suggested 1975 in the first place
They did very little to hold back the excitment and speculation, rather, they fanned the flames (that quote from the KM about selling houses)

This leads to the other disappointment with regards the WT's behaviour over this incident. No apology. They never apologized for this mistake (or any other). I don't think an apology when one makes a mistake is too much to hope for.

Having said that, I think there is enough room for both viewpoints, that 1975 was not a big deal, and 1975 was a big deal. So much of it depended on the local environment.

ackack

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reading Proclaimers book

by MerryMagdalene in

a very loyal and loving jw requested that i read the book jehovah's witnesses proclaimers of god's kingdom, sincerely confident that it will lay to rest all my objections and convince me this is indeed god's organization to which i must return right away.. ok, i will read it, but only because it's my mother that asked it of me, and she has tried so hard to be tolerant and understanding of where i am coming from as regards my firm stand in not returning.. i thought i would post my notes along the way in case they would be useful to someone else, and if anyone wants to add their own thoughts and notes i would be grateful.

chapter 1--why should jehovah have witnesses?.

since all references to such in the bible are pre-christian and refer to israelites being witnesses that their god, yhwh, is the god, the one god, the only god, and in a contractual relationship with them.

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Perhaps try reading it alongside Penton's Apocalypse Delayed. That could be interesting. :)

Find all the funnies in the Proclaimer's book that don't quite match up with reality.

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Children and the "Sign" from Jesus...

by ackack in

jesus gives a sign .

he told them about things that would happen right here on earth.

so jesus told them about things that would happen to jerusalem and its temple.

ackack

LDH, wow. What a disturbing thought. And this mother who committed infacide was held up as a good example? wow.

My sister lived in perpetual fear too, about being raped, about being tortured. So much fear. Glad she's free from it (to some extant)

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Children and the "Sign" from Jesus...

by ackack in

jesus gives a sign .

he told them about things that would happen right here on earth.

so jesus told them about things that would happen to jerusalem and its temple.

ackack

Don't mean to bttt my own thread, but just a side note. I found this article just curiously searching on the WT cdrom if there were any articles with "black plague" and "spanish flu" in the same article.

Take a while guess how many articles came up? I mean... you would think it would be key to the WT proving their case. Well, the grand total was one. So crazy.

ackack of the "I could just kick myself for not seeing it earlier" class

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Children and the "Sign" from Jesus...

by ackack in

jesus gives a sign .

he told them about things that would happen right here on earth.

so jesus told them about things that would happen to jerusalem and its temple.

ackack

This is an article from w71.

Jesus Gives a Sign
An article specially designed for parents to read with their children
TODAY we are going to talk about signs. It is good to know how to read signs. They can help us.
Some signs have words on them. They tell us where we can buy food. They may warn us not to cross the street when cars are coming. What signs have you seen?
There are signs of another kind too. They may have no words. Some of them tell about changes in the weather. Clouds may cover the sun. Perhaps the wind starts to blow. Lightning flashes. There is thunder. When you hear and see these things, what do they mean? What is going to happen? Yes, there will probably be rain. It is not hard to read those signs, is it?
One day Jesus’ apostles asked him for a sign. They had heard him say that people would not see him again until some future time. They wanted to know when that would be. What sign would there be that the time had come?
The Great Teacher knew that his followers would need a sign. He was going to go back to heaven to be with God. When he came again he would not be a human. He would be a spirit. And can you see a spirit?
So, how would anyone know that he had come again? Well, Jesus told them what to watch for. He told them about things that would happen right here on earth.
When Jesus was talking to them, they were close to Jerusalem. They could see it across the valley. And they could see its beautiful temple. So Jesus told them about things that would happen to Jerusalem and its temple. And those things did happen!
But Jesus also said that the same things would happen again later. This time they would happen to the whole world. And what would this mean? It would mean that Christ had returned. It would mean that from heaven he had begun to rule in the kingdom of God. Soon he would destroy the wicked. Life would soon get much better here on earth.
Have we seen the sign that Jesus gave? I have. Would you like to hear about it?
As part of the sign, Jesus said: ‘You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.’
I have seen that in my lifetime. Whole nations have fought against other nations to destroy them. The trouble really began in the year 1914. Now we hear news reports about war almost every day. Have you heard those reports on the radio or on television?
Here is another part of the sign that Jesus gave. He said: ‘There will be food shortages in one place after another.’
Not everyone has enough food to eat. Did you know that? I have heard that every day ten thousand people die because they do not have enough food. Jesus said that there would be food shortages.
Jesus also said: ‘In one place after another there will be pestilences.’
Do you know what a pestilence is? It is a sickness or disease that kills many people. Right after the war that began in 1914 there was a very great pestilence. It was called the Spanish flu. About 500,000,000 persons went to bed sick from the flu in just a few months, and over 20,000,000 of them died. Just think of that! But the Spanish flu was not the only pestilence. There are still cancer, heart disease and other sicknesses that kill many thousands of persons every year.
This is another part of the sign that he gave: ‘There will be earthquakes in one place after another.’
Do you know what an earthquake is? It makes the ground shake under your feet. Houses fall down and people often get killed. Since the year 1914 there have been many more earthquakes every year than there were before. These are things that have happened in my lifetime.
Jesus said that another part of the sign would be ‘more and more lawlessness.’ That is happening too. That is why people almost everywhere lock the door on their houses. They are afraid that someone might try to break in. And in many places it is not safe to walk on the street alone at night. Never before has it been as bad as it is now.—Matt. 23:39–24:22; Luke 21:5-36.
Some people may say that these things have happened before. But never before has it happened to so much of the world at the same time. All this has special meaning.
Remember, Jesus said that these things would be a sign. Can you read that sign? What does it mean?
Most people see only the trouble. It makes them unhappy. But if they knew what the sign meant, they would rejoice. Why?
Jesus said: ‘As these things start to happen, lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.’ That means that we should be happy. Because in just a short time God will put an end to all the troubles on this earth. Life will be a real pleasure then.
Don’t you agree that is good news? If we really believe it, we won’t keep it only for ourselves. Other people need to know about it too.
“How comely upon the mountains are the feet of the one bringing good news, the one publishing peace, the one bringing good news of something better, the one publishing salvation, the one saying to Zion: ‘Your God has become king!’”—Isa. 52:7.

Please pick out the most disturbing line from this. for me its "About 500,000,000 persons went to bed sick from the flu in just a few months, and over 20,000,000 of them died. Just think of that!" ... wow little Timmy.. just imagine 20 million people dying! okay, good night.
what sort of nightmares would these children have. <shudder>
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A Challange to Def'd.....

by AK - Jeff in

jw
friends

i, and many other well meaning posters here, have asked you dozens of questions.

you have dodged them all for the most part and spent your replies on personal attacks, or just plain refusal to address the questions posed.

your favorite retort is typically ad hominen attacks or a red-herring thown in for good measure.

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Oh god, when you cut and paste you leave in the semi-colon.... just nutty.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

ackack

Perhaps a GB member had a blood transfusion, and the analogy will be David with the showbread and therefore it was okay.

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