Thirdwitness, got any scriptural support for Satan coming down early to cause trouble? Doesn't this sort of contradict the scripture in Revelation that the time of trouble was after Satan for cast out, not a little bit before?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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World of Warcraft
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i spent about 4 hours last night reading... spent about 2 or 3 hours this morning reading... and reading.. and reading... .
time for a change of pace... anyone up for some wow?
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Arrowstar, what did you get? I dropped in for a couple of minutes tonite, and my guild needed a healer for Hakkar, so I went and did him tonite.
5 purples? nice. I have umm.. more than that, but I still have some real junk that I'm wearing that I desperately need replaced, so it makes up for my other good gear. My chest piece is still green :( I just wish Golemagg would drop my Cenarion Vestaments when I'm there... he is a bit of a jerk.
Funny how when a boss is on "farming" status, sometimes you can get killed pretty easy by them. A funny story, we did MC last week, and had ONE wipe.. just one ... on, and I'm ashamed to admit this, Golemagg. Funny, but still, it was our first time clearing MC in one night I think :)
As far as 3d effects and sickness, I can't see how world of warcraft would induce any sort of illness in anybody. Its not a "fast" game with uber-realistic graphics. The graphics aren't really the point. There is a trial on-line, so I would suggest trying it out and seeing how it runs on our machine.
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Looking for a new laptop, any one own a tablet?
by thecarpenter ini'm in the market for a new laptop and the convertable tablet has caught my eye.
gateway recently came out with a 14" widescreen laptop/tablet that is a stunner.
anyone have or uses a tablet pc and what do you think of it?
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Dell's are generally pretty poor build quality. Unfortunately, tablets are not really ready yet. Its a great idea, but technology has not really caught up with what would be needed from a decent tablet. Things like, lightweight, visible in sunlight, reasonable battery life, good note taking capabilities and a high-density screen seem like pretty minimal requirements to me. I did some dev work on a tablet (for an amex survey). While it was novel and interesting, I can't see it being very useful as a computer I would use regularly.
For taking notes, I would tend toward note paper at this point. But then again, I can type reasonably fast, and I really wanted to take notes, I would get a small nice laptop for doing so. Personally, being a mac fanboy, I would get a MacBook. Nice decent light computer. The video camera is a nice bonus.
On a side note, isn't it bizarre how people don't use laptops for taking assembly notes? (at least, no one in the audience does.. the bros downstairs do though). If I was really serious about taking notes at an assembly, I would absolutely use a laptop to do this effectively. Always bothered me that pulling out a laptop would be viewed as "stumbling" via materialism... so short sighted. Oh well.
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Are the "Last Days" an Absurdity? (8/15 WT)
by metatron inhow could anyone know objectively if they live in the "last days", if they fail to examine history?
how would anyone know if things were .
actually worse?
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Instead of quoting 2 Pe (which quite frankly, could be made to apply any time, and in fact has) how about some hard facts about why this time is worse than before?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Thirdwitness, is there any scriptural support for the idea that Satan came by a few months earlier to stir up trouble?
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World of Warcraft
by saki2fifty in.
i spent about 4 hours last night reading... spent about 2 or 3 hours this morning reading... and reading.. and reading... .
time for a change of pace... anyone up for some wow?
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Arrowstar, I imagine you need to get more dmg on Onyxia to bring her down. The other day, in an encounter that went badly, we got six deep breaths.
While you were busy getting pwned by Onyxia, we beat Rag (for the third time). Good times! ;)
What server is everyone on? I'm on Thunderlord, 60 NE Druid.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Thirdwitness, you wrote:
The June, 1914/ Oct 1914 is really not that difficult to explain. It was at the end of June that the archduke was assassinated. That is when history declares that WW I began. But so what? Just because someone was assassinated then you think that the Devil must've already been cast down by then. By Oct, 1914 WW I was just getting underway. Turkey did not even side with Germany until Oct, 1914. Sides were still being drawn. Really this is a poor attempt to discredit JWs.
According to http://europeanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/blww1stimeline3.htm Turkey didn't join until November. (just a side point). World War 1 is used as an example of how the world went crazy under Satan's direct influence. But Satan didn't directly influence World War 1 until October, two months after the war was in full swing. My intent is not to discredit JWs, rather, I'm finding fault with the logic of October 4/5th being special in any way. The war didn't suddenly increase in intensity, nor did the world "go mad" in any appreciable way.
World War 1 itself was predicted by many commentators of the day. It didn't take the world by storm, or come as some shock, but was pretty much anticipated. There is an interesting book, called England and Germany, published in 1913 I believe, where the author details why another war was inevitable.
I suppose I'm just trying to understand why World War 1 marked the beginning of anything? It certainly didn't mark the ending of the Gentile times...(that was in October, and the war clearly started at the end of July). Not really sure why Witnesses use it as an example of anything really.
But you're right, sides WERE still being drawn, I mean, the USA didn't even get involved until 1917 (afaik). But aside from USA and Turkey, I think everyone else figured out their sides before October.
And btw, it wasn't the archduke being assassinated thats meaningful, its Russia declaring war the next day and promptly invading Poland. So Satan wasn't involved there. Which bits of the war WAS he involved with then?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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ackack: Do JWs not use WW1 as proof of their 1914/607 logic?
Yes, WW I as well as other events that followed shortly thereafter.
I don't get it, are you just playing dumb? How can WWI be used to show the veracity of 1914 if it started before Satan's ouster from heaven? Or, just the October thing not really matter? In your mind, is the whole thing not really that precise?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Thirdwitness, how on earth was my question off-topic. You wrote: "The events that took place on earth in 1914 and since then also confirm this." My question pertained to it. Your characterization of my question was unfair.
So wanna answer it, or just avoid it more? Do JWs not use WW1 as proof of their 1914/607 logic?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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The bit of this that has always confused me, is how did Jesus becoming king in October 1914 and casting Satan to earth cause World War which started in July?
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