it has occurred to me that ive been here long enough and have met many of you whose company i really appreciate.
i see people come in since i have been here and am inspired and impressed at the courage they have for giving their stories, their experiences and the freedoms they now have paid for by a cost that only a cult survivor can really appreciate.. so with that inspiration, here is my story.... i have very little memory of before i was 5. i do remember christmas morning one year to wake up to a ton of toys and that was cool.
i remember having my stomach pumped once because i got into some kerosene and thought id pour myself a glass.
kenny,
nice to hear from you.
so are you in a position to have a good relationship with your natural father now?
hope everything goes well for you...
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
true story from a girl at work about her sister.
honest to god.. her sister was in a frantic rush one day trying to get out of the office to get to her yearly gynecologist exam on time.
she rushed home, didnt have time to take a shower so she just took a sink bath and sprayed on some fds spray (for all males out there, that is feminine deoderant spray).
Wouldn't that burn just a bit?
sounds unpleasant. she should have known better.
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
a cleanout of our library has produced a pile of books we feel would be better in someone else's library now.. go to http://caic.org.au/books-for-sale.htm.
to see what is listed thus far:.
jw related books.
A cleanout of our library has produced a pile of books we feel would be better in someone else's library now.
This is funny. Make it somebody else's problem.
Maybe one person's junk is another person's life everlasting!
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
i may start a series, "classic articles".. this article is from the watchtower of december 15, 1971. title: "a governing body as different from a legal corporation".
.."on friday morning,october 1,1971,the legal corporation known as watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania held its annual corporation meeting"..... fine, but here we go.. ..."at this meeting a question came up and was discussed from the platform.
it was as to what the relationship is between the board of directors of the society...and the governing body...are they the same, identical, or are they different?".....
I think this is when they resurrected the 'urim and thummim':
Ezra 2:63
Consequently the Tirshatha said to them that they could not eat from the most holy things until a priest stood up with Urim and Thummim.That will show what Jehovah's will is!
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
at first glance, most people would say that there are lots of very good jws around.
ok, we reason, maybe they are a little misguided, but most of them mean well.
we particularly like to think that way about our friends and loved ones who are in the organisation, we dont want to regard them as being unkind and uncaring.
Good comments E-man,
All I want to add is that people tend to become less stupid, hateful, and evil when the leave JWs.
Coincidence?
Something's gotta give---
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
i think he got disfellowedship from the hall for our fornications.
this happened last night, and i am going crazy cuz now he won't tell me what happened, but i think he got axed.
and so now, guess i am the devil?????????
Yes its all your fault!
Now please don't believe this
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
have anyone been harassed by jw?
the reason why i'm asking this question is because my wife and i have been!!!
will develop later.
sexually or otherwise?
he he he
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
here is a simple test for idolatry.
tell a jw, particularly an elder, that you don't know if you believe in god anymore.
a typical reaction would be for them to try an encourage you.
YK,
you have no compassion.
you have little tolerance for other people's opinions.
you have much growing up to do.
eat your spinach, my boy!
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
just for fun, i thought we could post what celebrities people may have told us we look like.
i know, i know, it's all fluff baby!
i'll be the first one to say it....i'm mainly a fluff poster.
Oh, I was told once I looked like Lou Bega. In one of his pictures I saw, I agree.
Most of what I have seen of him though is not quite as handsome as I am. he he he
My last post with Eddie Vedder's pic didn't work. Let's see about this time:
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
last post we asked this question:.
did balaam incite israel's men to lust after the midianite women?.
part (1) can be found here:.
Last post we asked this question:
Did Balaam incite Israel's men to lust after the Midianite women?
Part (1) can be found here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18834&site=3
According to Revelation 2:14
Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those holding fast the teaching of Balaam, who went teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornicationThe writer of Revelation ostensibly had the same biblical sources that are available to us today (Numbers and Deuteronomy). The Watchtower and similar publications infer that Balaam somehow encouraged the men of Israel to sin. However, it should be noted that there is NO evidence given in the primary texts that Balaam was responsible for the 'sex sin with the Baal of Peor and the Midianite women'.
Balaam was, however, killed for this reason, according to Numbers 31. If you read the preceding accounts carefully, you will see that Balaam was simply a scapegoat for the 'scourge from Jehovah'.
Going back to chapters 23 and 24, Balaam gives four prophetic utterances which bless Israel. He had been instructed to curse Balak of Moab's enemy Israel, but he did not find any 'unlucky omens' (24:1). Keep in mind that Balaam interpreted any such omens as messages from JEHOVAH (NWT).
Not only does the account here praise Balaam as a prophet, it records all four of his poetic utterances.
There is no evidence given in Chapter 25 that Balaam was present during the 'immoral relations with the daughters of Moab' or during the subsequent scourge.
If Balaam's interactions with the king of Moab were recorded so carefully, why not the interactions with the men of Israel? Wouldn't it be known if he so much as stepped foot inside the camps of Israel?
Why would Balaam test the loyalty of Israel to Jehovah? Wasn't he extolled in chapter 22-24 for his loyalty to Jehovah? He went against Balak's orders to curse Israel because he did not see that (in the 'omens' as Jehovah's wish.
After Phineas is credited with ending the scourge by killing two such 'sinners', Chapter 31 gives a horrific account of the "vengeance of the sons of Israel upon the Midianites". This action was taken apparently to appease Jehovah, as Moses' instructions are credited to Jehovah.
The conclusion that Balaam was responsible reeks of inconsistency, reading between the lines, and scapegoating.
Well, we should draw our own conclusions, shouldn't we?
Let me summarize some interesting tidbits:
1. Balaam was a known prophet, or diviner, but leaning heavily towards divining. ('omens', etc...) 'Those whom he blessed were blessed and those whom he cursed, cursed'. Sounds like voodoo to me, which we know to be pretense. Did he 'encourage', or 'curse'? According to chapters 22-24, he did not curse Israel.
2. What was the scourge? Obviously a sexually transmitted disease. Jehovah's anger was involved? Fortunately, there is significantly less bloodshed today over issues like this. We don't see it as God's judgement that we are infected, but rather the blame lies with ourselves for our lack of discretion.
3. Moses gave orders for the men of Israel to 'preserve alive' (i.e. take home and make your wife/servant) only VIRGIN women of . It seems that he should have known, then, about STDs. By the way, how did they check if the women were virgins? It must have been a very 'unclean' experience. But in 'seven days', they were clean again. Bullshit.
4. Balaam's story is apparently told from the perpective of TWO (or more) different prophetic traditions. Much more could be done in de-convoluting this story.
cellomould
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
