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do the gb go out in service?
thanks for any feedback.
My friend was an MS from the age of 19, so he knew personally a lot of Bethel 'grads'. He used to talk all the time about people being DF'd. These were pioneers, bethelites, servants, etc...
He definitely implied that Bethelites were more likely to be DF'd or bail.
cellmould
when i was in dub-dom....i used to hate eating out....my ex always made us bow our heads and close our eyes tight shut while he gave thanks out loud.
did you do that in public??
or did you do it discreetly with your head bowed but eyes not shut....or.....head in hand...hoping people would think u were in deep thought?
Why not give thanks when it comes out the other end as well? It is part of the same wonderful process by which we obtain and use energy resources.
I certainly did this when I was a JW, for example, when I would be asked to give a substitute talk with only 20 minutes notice. I would spend the first 10 minutes sitting on the toilet with my bible and whatever book I needed. And you better believe I prayed!
I do not know what caused me to tell a friend this, but he said it was inappropriate. He even cited that 'some elder' made this point from the platform. Can you imagine that in a public talk?! 'We certainly would not want to disgrace our loving God Jehovah, who incidentally created the colon and rectum, by giving thanks while seated on the toilet.'
How ridiculous!!!
cellmould
last saturday, a former ministerial servant and pioneer committed suicide in the woodinville washington kingdom hall parking lot.
he was disfellowshipped several years ago, and according to the old sister that related the story to me today, he was depressed because no one would talk to him.
i don't know how i kept calm when she explained to me that "we couldn't talk to him...he was disfellowshipped.".
You Know,
You too have battled with depression. It's not something you just 'get over'; I think you understand that. Could that be why you are posting here? Sharing your experiences would be a lot more effective than sharing your judgements.
cellmould
Edited by - cellomould on 15 June 2002 22:17:16
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did you hear about george w boycotting the movie "sum of all fears?.
he said he didn't like movies about math.
Here is something else Georgie W doesn't understand...the US is the biggest terrorist on the block right now:
read more @ http://www.zmag.org/55qaframe.htm24. What do we think about the Sept. 14th Congressional resolution (passed 98-0 in the Senate and 420-1 in the House) authorizing President Bush to use force ?
No vote in a nation's legislature can permit that nation to behave contrary to international law. The Congressional resolution no more makes U.S. military action "right" than would a vote by India's legislature legitimate an attack on Pakistan or by Russia's legislature legitimate slaughter in Chechnya. Military actions that cause massive civilian harm as is now occurring in Afghanistan are wrong -- they meet our definition of terrorism -- no matter what the vote of a legislature may be.
One might also note how the members of the U.S. Congress -- with one courageous exception -- abdicated their responsibility. They are constitutionally assigned responsibility to provide a check on the arbitrary power of the executive branch. To pass a resolution authorizing the president to "use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons" is essentially saying that Congress wants no voice in assessing evidence, determining the appropriate way to respond to that evidence, or even whether we will go to war against one or several dozen countries.
'War on Terrorism' breeds terrorism, you fool
thanx for your perspective yk.
often i've tried to explain the last days....but i'm not very good at self-expression.. i have a great fear for mankind.
we are so cruel to each other.
You Know,
Cats make me sick (I have allergies), but I do not loathe them. I could say the same for lots of other things. How about you, are you lactose intolerant? Does that mean you hate milk?
It's funny how you didn't reply when I caught you (earlier today) contradicting yourself in the same sentence, yet you are quick to try to pounce on others. Here it was a simple question of what he intended to say versus how you interpreted it:
'I don't loath you but you and your God make me sick?' Why am I even bothering to read and respond to this sort of double-speak psycho babble?
'You make me sick' implies that you, You Know and that angry God you keep in your back pocket, are initiating an action. 'I loath you' would imply that the speaker is initiating the action. Do you see the difference?
When a person on this board tells you they do not loathe you, you are free to take that as a compliment rather than an insult. But of course you have a choice.
Jellojiggler
well, i am kidding.
i think this is quite a worthy 'advertisement'..... i'm providing a link to my little bro's webpage.
check out his music!.
Anyone like the music?
cellomould
a question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
Yeah, let's see the look on their faces when the WT is revealed to be a part of Babylon the Great! Scary thing is, the end of religion as we have known it will not be far in the future. It is bound to happen in some way or another, though probably not by government sactioned action. But the fanatics will still think they are being persecuted.
cellomould
thanx for your perspective yk.
often i've tried to explain the last days....but i'm not very good at self-expression.. i have a great fear for mankind.
we are so cruel to each other.
The Watchtower doesn't really even factor in to the equation as regards the end of this system, except to the extent that they have served to draw attention to the prophecies about to unfold, and serve as a rallying point for the anointed and their friends
You Know, you have acquired the ability to contradict yourself in the same sentence. 'The WT does not factor, except that they are in the center of all the action and only those who kiss their asses will be saved'. YouMustKnow that the WT teaches salvation is dependent on a person's treatment of Christ's brothers: namely, the anointed 144,000, but really the WT itself.
If that is not a self-gratifying prophecy, then I am the reincarnation of Gandhi! (oops I forgot, I AM the reincarnation of Gandhi
thanx for your perspective yk.
often i've tried to explain the last days....but i'm not very good at self-expression.. i have a great fear for mankind.
we are so cruel to each other.
Ashi,
You remind me of a good point...supposedly, the Flood was to destroy wicked humans. God 'regretted that he made man', but after the deluge vowed never to do it again. But...who was really responsible for the badness?
It was the fallen angels. Their offspring raped, stole, and otherwise oppressed humans. Of course the fallen angels were at liberty to take up their wings and fly away on the ether.
What utter nonsense... Well, actually, it's quite good if you treat it as a mythological story. But to propose the Flood as the model for a future destruction is madness! (Note: I am not calling Jesus a liar...just a bit misinformed. He must have been sleeping through his prehuman existence not to notice there was NO flood)
What makes JWs think that Satan and his fallen angels won't avert destruction again? (That's intended to be purely rhetorical...but JWs, feel free to muck it up if you wish.)
from the apr 1, 2002 wt: (page 3 -4).
sorry, just read this and had to point out the similarities.. it's interesting, i think that they are talking about themselves .
should faith be based on reason?.
How does God make himself known to those who sincerely search for him? The next article will provide the answer.
In other words, 'He does not make himself known to you, peon. Come to the big boys if you have any questions. We will mock you and call you names if you ask questions, however.'
