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  Books For Believers in Intelligent Designer and want to get deeper in to the Debate without getting angry!

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  hi, there's been so many threads going off on atheism, evolution and science but most end quickly because many can't hold their own without getting abusive, angry and lots of hard feelings against our friends here who helped us get beyond all the confusion and fear plus uncertainty we all felt trying to leave the cult!

  when you can bring up interesting topics and share ideas through intelligent discussion it's possible we could lose all the anger that ensues on our adult boards!

  here's a book i heard dr. richard dawkins bring up saying he liked the logic and reasoning of peter medawar's book, why not evaluate it yourself?

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  Hi, there's been so many threads going off on atheism, evolution and science but most end quickly because many can't hold their own without getting abusive, angry and lots of hard feelings against our friends here who helped us get beyond all the confusion and fear plus uncertainty we all felt trying to leave the Cult! When you can bring up interesting topics and share ideas through intelligent discussion it's possible we could lose all the anger that ensues on our adult boards!

  Here's a book I heard Dr. Richard Dawkins bring up saying he liked the logic and reasoning of Peter Medawar's book, why not evaluate it yourself? Its written by a highly skeptical scientist who presents Science in a very fair place the Christians and believers can respect because you will become stronger in bringing your views forward without getting mad!

  You want to share the Gospel or Spiritualism, build up your brain with everything on each side physical time constraints allow you! It's not by accident Mr. Cofty knows the current arguments and debates, he's done a heck of a lot of reading as much literature on the Evolution and Atheism as he can. Why not be like him and build your educational arsenal to new higher bounds? Have you ever read posts by him, by Simon, by Steve and DJ (He coined the term for the GB, "Dark lords of Watchtower", he writes very well.). Here's a very short book on where Science ends and Speculation begins as well as showing the reader why many areas in Science can't be ignored because you don't want to believe, in the debate I watched over a year ago they both said this book was fair and reasonable, those are the books we need to read, I thought it was really good!

  "Science," writes Sir Peter Medawar, "is incomparably the most successful enterprise human beings have ever engaged upon." In this brief, brilliant book the Nobel laureate explores the nature and limitations of scientific pursuit. The three essays included touch on some of the largest questions known to man: Can science determine the existence of God? Is there one "scientific method" by which all the secrets of the universe can be discovered? "

  
  

  "THE LIMITS OF SCIENCE" by Peter Medawar
  
  
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  The Money-Grab BOEs!

  by Atlantis in

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  these are the money-grab letters several people have been asking for.

  i almost hate to post these after all the hard work "searcher" did on the other thread.

  his version looks almost better than these.

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  Thank you, these letters no matter how many times you post them are a real asset and we owe you greatly for giving us access to things the Dark Lords of New York want hidden!
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  CAH closing down in upstate NY

  by oppostate in

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  2. scandals

  yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

  they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

  elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

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  Their selling all their Real Estate assets and making Congregations clustered with so many people by consolidation their like 1980s "slash and burn" cost cutting but their growing leaps and bounds according to all the JWs and the Magazines for private use.

  "Numbers don't lie but Liars can Figure!"
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  Stephen Lett admits income/expenditure shortfall as he reminds Witnesses to donate “valuable things”

  by defender of truth in

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  it's well worth taking a look at the article, it will only take you a few minutes.

  but i would particularly like to highlight this part: .

  if you are going to divulge a shortfall in funds, particularly with the aim of leveraging more donations (or valuable things) from a pool of supporters who are already lagging in this regard, the least you can do is treat them like adults and give some hard numbers.

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  "Money is currently the issue!". You realize that's been what's predicted by many of you over the years, I am making a bold prediction that the Governing Body will take acting lessons and learn how to turn on a spigot of tears to make these old sisters on SDI or Medicaid and Welfare give their money so these idiots don't have to work! Their a horrible group of men, they have $$$$$ Billions of dollars no doubt in Hedge Funds making money while their begging for cash that's not transparent!
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  My Last thoughts in Field Service Before the Elderly Man Shat Himself and Pissed his pants in My New Car!

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  debating this was going to be the last day in field service was not hard after dealing with a nasty mess because i was grouped with the misfits of the kingdom hall!

  i was reading this website on my phone while something started to stink in my car and one of the weird kids nobody wanted to work with yelled "hey, you leaking all over my seat, he was freaked out too!

  " the older, retired elder, his pioneer daughter had forgotten to put his depends on and that became my problem.

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  Debating this was going to be the last day in Field Service was not hard after dealing with a nasty mess because I was grouped with the misfits of the Kingdom Hall! I was reading this website on my phone while something started to stink in my car and one of the weird kids nobody wanted to work with yelled "Hey, you leaking all over my seat, he was freaked out too!" The older, retired elder, his Pioneer daughter had forgotten to put his Depends on and that became my problem. The sisters in my car were too busy talking or ignored the grumbling stomach, after abdominal warnings like Mt St Helens this old man shat his pants and pissed all over my new mini-van! We went back to the Kingdom Hall to get him cleaned up, there were two elders who set my arrangements up and I dumped him off on them. They never left the Kingdom Hall, it was a hour and a half and these two big mouth Elders were standing around, counting time because "people could see them as they drove past them", I said "I need to get this car cleaned out before it stains my car!" The elders as stupid as usual, said "hey, we can spray some Windex on your seats and I have some RVs we can do, it's only water!" That's the mentality of our JW Elders, their so good at destroying your property, using up your gasoline and putting people who don't belong in Field Service in your Car Groups they themselves would never take!

  What experiences did you have in Field Service, did you ever have anyone shat their pants or spill things in your car? Did you have little devils destroying your cars, did they poke holes in your leather seats or plaster their chewing gum all over your carpet? How did they dispose of their unwanted lunch snacks "healthy Mom" brought besides puking all over your car? Did these little goblins tuck their fruits or Lunchables in spots were they rotted?

  What good old times in Field Service did you have, was it Spiritual Paradise or Physical Hell? The Watchtowers Leaders have no reality and I hope they go Bankrupt, so tired of losers destroying the property of people who care? I must have had the sign on my back saying "Please put all the mentally ill people in my car-group and if they can't control their lower bodily functions add them too! I love misery, the more freaky, the better!".

  How did we deal with this so long, OMG!
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  Legal Website AVVO's Headline " "Outrageously Wealthly Religious Leaders Under Investigation!"

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/money/6-outrageously-wealthy-preachers-under-federal-investigation.html.

  if you don't know what avvo is, it's a website run by professional lawyers on all subjects, you can ask them any question.

  i am looking for all the old jim and tammy bakker, the jerry falwell and oral roberts videos to show you how the governing body is using their scripts, it's totally uncanny how copyright infringement of "begging for money from the poorest segments of society", their totally wicked!

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  http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/money/6-outrageously-wealthy-preachers-under-federal-investigation.html

  
  

  
  

  If you don't know what Avvo is, it's a website run by professional lawyers on all subjects, you can ask them any question. I am looking for all the old Jim and Tammy Bakker, the Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts videos to show you how the Governing Body is using their scripts, it's totally uncanny how copyright infringement of "begging for money from the poorest segments of society", their totally wicked! Jesus did not head around begging for money, people willing brought him money as well as the Apostles who said "We work with our hands", someone must have left that memo out of the Governing Body's data because they keep begging!

  
  

  
  

  
  

  http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/decemberweb-only/151-21.0.htmlFund Raising: Did Oral Roberts Go Too Far?
  

  The television evangelist links receiving $8 million to the extension of his earthly life.

  Randy Frame/ DECEMBER 15, 2009

  This article was originally published in the February 20, 1987, issue of Christianity Today.

  Thoughts about heaven are not new to Oral Roberts. In 1975, the Tulsa evangelist told a chapel audience at Oral Roberts University (ORU) that he had asked God to take him, but God did not answer.

  This time, according to Roberts, God is taking the initiative. Roberts has stated in a fund-raising appeal letter and on television that unless he raises a total of $8 million above regular ministry expenses by next month, he will die.

  “I desperately need you to come into agreement with me concerning my life being extended beyond March,” states a fund-raising letter signed by Roberts.

  “…God said, ‘I want you to use the ORU medical school to put My medical presence in the earth. I want you to get this going in one year or I will call you home!’” Roberts says he received this message last March.

  The evangelist likens his situation to the apostle Paul who, in the New Testament Book of Philippians, spoke of his desire to “depart and be with Christ,” but also of his responsibility to “abide with you in the flesh.” According to Roberts’s letter, “when it looked like Paul would go on to heaven, his partners flooded him with the necessary money, each one giving to God’s servant out of their own need.”

  A follow-up letter signed by Roberts’s son, Richard, affirms that without the money needed to send out missionary healing teams, “God will not extend Dad’s life.” Oral and Richard Roberts made similar statements on their weekly television program. A public outcry led several television stations to drop programs containing the controversial appeal.

  Return to roots...."
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

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  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  ToesUpa day ago

  Pretty much the entire broadcast is asking for money (giving of your valuable things) and giving volunteer time. It's funny...when we needed assistance (not money, just simple love and encouragement would have been nice) during a difficult time, all we got was "trust in Jehovah." Seems like the tables have turned. Why don't they "trust in Jehovah?" After all they are his earthly representatives. Shouldn't he help them out? Things that make you go...Hmmm!

  I love the hooky song at the end, reminds me of the Mormons.

  All take and no give in this cult. How are they different that Christendom? Always begging for your money.

  Hey everyone (even you lurkers).....Vote with your wallets!!!"
  

  
  

  
  When God told Moses to ask for a collection from his people, they had to stop collecting because God's people were generous. I agree with you, when it comes to emotional support, kindness, love and getting help from the friends this way, people who endure the "Religion of Hatred" are told "Wait upon Jehovah!" That's one verse out of the Bible that attacks people in charge who have the authority to make justice happen but are afraid of losing some donation giver over all the trouble they create. Let's see how Jehovah handles their monetary needs, they are begging for money just like the PTL Club and Christian Radios did certain times of the Fiscal Year. When this becomes a 'Loving Organization" that cares about it's followers, than donations might show up regularly!
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

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  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  They pulled this crap back in the 1980s when they pushed off the Circuit Overseers expenses untop of the already hurting cash-strapped congregations. That started for their Buicks, than health insurance plus local bills. We were getting billed around $800 per year for the Circuit Overseers expenses plus the annual CO "car and insurance payments", it's about time the Watchtower Goons pay for their own expenses.

  They can stop flying Governing Body Members all over the World for what ever dedications they have now a days. Let's do a productivity check and see how much economic value the Governing Body members each bring to the table. They need to stop wasting money like they did on the stupid printing press mishaps, stop spending money on stupid purchases.

  JWs are not the richest religion per people, it's the GBs fault the majority of JWs don't have a retirement plan and before Obama-care many were on Medicaid. The GB should thank Obama for helping solve the health-care issue of the Watchtower's great force of cart-pushers!

  Nice some people's family still in are telling the GB like it is, nice post "All for show!"

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    All for show19 minutes ago

    My very in aunt and uncle said, " their money problems are their problem"

    " the economy has been horrible for alot of us for a long time, and we have to adjust our lifestyle. So, adjust yours."

    they are pissed, confused, and disgusted by the program.
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  Since man is unable to create life does this mean

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. friends

  does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

  there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

  but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

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  I think I understand your question, are you asking if man is able to create life inside the laboratory does that prove you need intelligence to create new life? The projects done by science to replicate the early conditions of the Earth to get amino-acids are done by very smart scientist, is this your point?
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

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  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  Morpheus is your friend ready or not ready to take the Red Pill? Arnold in "Total Recall" did not want to take the red pill, bringing him back to reality, some prefer that Blue Pill of ignorance Cognitive Dissonance. I assumed the Blue and Red Pill came from the Matrix, not Total Recall a cheesy but fun movie back in 1990.

  What are they soliciting on JW Network, are they like Jim and Tammy Faye or Jerry Falwell? Sorry to ask these questions it's for good reason, I've had stomach poisoning for a week and deeply afraid if I watch these videos it's going to spread through my body!

  What's making your friend sick, these are points I could use when I Reverse Witness, it's quite effective so far!