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  Shepherding textbook in digital format 2012 Printing

  by hildebrando in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "the watchtower is butchering the 2010 elders manual, and has released this new one to all elders.

  to many court cases involve exposing the 2010 elder manual, so now the watchtower is changing a few things with this new one".

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  PokerPlayerPhil

  Can you put these links on outside the western words servers so the Watchtower can't take the down? Thank you for making the Watchtower so transparent, they don't deserve any secrets either!
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  Has Anyone Been Pressured to Use the Elders to Judge a Secular Dispute?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  page 133 of the flock book states that "paul gave strong counsel" about taking a brother to court.. the most pertinent reference is the nov 15, 1973 wt qfr.. that article says:.

  "here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

  the judges would be men who were not governed by the lofty principles of gods law and whose consciences were not trained through a study of his word.

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  My family was ripped off by one of the Elders and the Elders kept telling me they could get this brother to pay what was owed, they totally failed!

  Mother was ripped off by Jehovah's Witnesses and she too was told, "Just wait upon Jehovah and know the Brothers are doing their best to resolve this without using Satan's unclean judicial system(unclean, dirty, why did mother get ripped off from holy jws?).

  There's a brother who was financial planning and put all his elderly JWs in the most crazy mutual funds before the stock market crashed because it had a 9% fee to it's seller(brother Arse). When the friends ended up needing those funds because they thought there were sold short-term bonds they were totally screwed.
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  When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

  i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

  when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

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  I wish I had the brains to examine my system of beliefs and why those people yelling at Dodger Stadium's near entrance and Assembly Halls in Woodland Hills were pissed off. Were lucky we have the ability and rights to protest unhealthy beliefs, other nations don't have our gift to express freely how they feel. I never would have seen myself appreciate nations with freedom of religion, as Jehovah's Witnesses we showed no appreciation and often I caught Witnesses cheating on their taxes, stealing from brothers and sisters and we had one big Ponzi Scam in San Diego, San Francisco, Florida, New York with the main goal of stealing from uneducated and unsophisticated Witnesses because the majority of Witnesses are not very savvy with their money and far too trusting for con-men to slip on in. Understanding their rage is easy using 20-20 hindsight vision, if only we did pay attention instead of our conditioned response of plugging our ears and covering our eyes.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  The Watchtower is to blame 99% for many problems Jehovah's Witnesses encounted because from youth we were deceived with unreal expectations, poor thinking skills they drilled, inculcated (think of poor Caleb sitting on Tony Morris lap being told revisionist history) youth our ability to "trust our brothers", "Jehovah's Witnesses don't sue each other like the World does(that was BS!) because their closer to a new creation!) and we attacked the Catholic Church with a vengeance when the Pedophile Scandal erupted in a lawsuit and media frenzy in the 1990s(how soon our zealous leaders would be paid back for being so arrogant while throwing stones from our glass-fortress.

  
  

  
  

  On a different website I met someone who is still in the Organization even though he was taken for $20,000 by the JW Sister running her scam under a "Pay-Day Loan shop. The only reason she got hammered was she took money from high ranks in her area and even as far as New York. funny when good things happen it's Jehovah's Organization and when bad and wicked actions occur we blame Satan attacking Jehovah's clean people.
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  When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

  i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

  when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

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  Dear William, your right I needed to qualify my statement by saying that people "of age" (what age in your opinion is fair to accept the blame for not using our brains, I am so mad at my ignorance and failure to think but won't protest in a Kingdom Hall no matter how much anger that could,might or won't release) are guilty because there are high school kids who have picked the religion apart. I remember the Elders disfellowshiped a teenager for "apostasy" because of their inability to answer his sincere questions about the Organization.

  
  

  
  

  What does that say about people like me who stayed in the Organization until I was treated badly and that's when I question it's validity? Shame on me, I tried to catch the teenager through Facebook and apologize because I refused to hear his arguments about the Truth being false. At what point is it our fault we allowed ourselves to coast along, refuse to engage with educated members of the world and admit as a religion, we are some of the most selfish people in the World?

  
  

  
  

  Yes, I committed a "hasty generalization" error and apologize for not adding proper additions, when do you think it's our fault for failure to recognize we were not thinking and blindly led by a majority of ignorant tricked me too?
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  When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

  i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

  when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

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  All of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault! I had many clues they were lying about our religion but I failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice. When I read about people who confronted the Elders and won their judicial committees (even though the JW Elders DF'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than I will ever be.

  
  

  
  

  JWs and Ex-JWs are not masochist(that's why I started to fade, the hurtful lies and slander were to painful to handle), they don't enjoy pain or getting hurt nor do they thrive off evil and persecution. The majority of Ex-JWs are dignified and classy, a few are angry with just cause, I don't know how deep the pain is running in their hearts but it must be large to go back inside the Kingdom Hall and use tactics the Watchtower once used on peaceful Christians in the 1920s-1930s during their Sunday Worship with big horns screaming "Religion is a Snare and a Racket" campaign of Jehovah Witness Religious Intolerance! or love pain and persecution and doing our best to avoid it is what rational humans do.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  I read many stories here and you too have had to deal with a large portion of sociopaths making rules for you to obey and handle the evil actions by ruthless men and women(I've now seen JW women are more wicked than the men in my experience) who enjoy hurting other women. These leaders of our Cult did not take "No!" or "I think it's a bad idea" or "I think your wrong!" without creating problems for us at the Kingdom Hall or spreading lies in our "circle of fake friends" When attending Meetings during your zealous involvement with Organiztation would protestors using strongarm methods have changed your minds they way facts on JWN and JW-Facts have? I learned the hard way recently that Elders and people in high places don't care about the Sheep, in fact they trampled on us because they can. In one of the books I am reading, it mentions Cults are means for some the worst of humanity to secure power and wield it over others in very harmful and egregious manners. No amount of yelling has helped me reinforce I was in a cult the way JWN and JW-Facts and all the wickedness caused by the Elders and their evil wives.

  The gossiping and lies committed against us while being told "Wait on Jehovah to settle" by Elders who tell you "I know those Elders don't belong in their positions and I too wish Jehovah would remove them because they truly are evil(this told by the body of Elders I use to be friends with but are too afraid to take action. These older Elders are afraid of the wickedness used by the Elders screwing with me and my ex-wife, I would to punish them but that would made me like them.

  "…16"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, 17Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. 18"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.…

  http://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-17.htm
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  Watchtower June 15 2015, Misleading Reference to Past Statement...

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .

  they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.

  live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.

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  Thank's for keeping us updated, did not run across this information and how true as you wrote quoting "1984" and the fact of creating a false past to avoid dealing with their hopeless future. The Internet and facts you provide to JWs are what is bringing us out of the Cult, not invading their unhappy Memorials by yelling and screaming or photographing people when their vulnerable. You remember that saying "Just the facts baby and nothing more", that's what's killing their religion, not outbursts or trouble making!

  "Sounds different to me. He may have spoke of the end of the Gentile Times, which they have chosen to stick with, but the reality is totally different.

  In Orwell's 1984 it is acknowledged that "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”...

  it seems that the WT writers went to the Orwell school of disinformation but we have news for you WTS...In the 21st Century nobody controls the present medium!"

  BluesBro
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  And so it begins...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  wife and i have not reported a single hour of fs in 3-4 months.

  while my wife is mostly doing for me (positive thing), i know she would have rather done it.

  elder asked me to turn in my fs report this past week and then he added... "we need to talk".

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  I wish I had the power of the Q because they have been calling me for my time too. This is my first Memorial I missed and life did not end like I thought it might. Remember when Q brought Picard's ship within the Borg's sector of the Universe to shake Picard's arrogance or Hubris up and Picard appreciated it even though this speed up the process of the Borg approaching the United Federation of Planets.

  We are now like Picard and by not turning in our Field Report it's attracting the attention of the Borg bringing them closer to our personal freedom. Can anyone help us with next step in avoiding attracting the Borg invasion of our space? Please advise because I am in your situation too!

  If I had the Q's power, the collective power, I could wish them away and put them on some deserted planet where they all could experience the true lack of love of JWs, let them serve the Governing Body while they sit on their ass like Mormons tried with Collectivism in the 1800s, that failed badly as young and hard working members got sick of turning in all their hard work and sharing with Mormons who did not work or care,just takers!
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  Petition to Revoke Scientology's Tax Exempt Status

  by ABibleStudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  fyi, if you feel that scientology's tax-exempt status should be revoked, you can sign a white house petition to revoke its tax-exempt status at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status.. i signed the petition even though i have mixed feelings about this petition.

  i would prefer that dangerous cults like scientology be reformed by suspending its tax-exempt status until it makes needed changes and i do not like targeting a specific organization when the whole system should be changed.

  on the other hand this type of action may help to promote debate about revising the tax codes in the us.. i do prefer revising the tax code like i wrote about in revise tax code to protect children from sexual abuse .. peace be with you and everyone, who you love,.

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  Does Scientology do anything of value for the World Governments or humanity, if so can you explain because I don't know much about their religion and practices.
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  These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

  to funny nice job....

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  Gayle your too reasonable and this is what I don't miss about attending the meetings now. My first Memorial alone was weird, there were nagging feelings like "what if I am wrong" to which I spent reading forums and reinforcing I have left a Cult, not the Truth to which I am seeking now.. If people had did what they did when my mind was conditioned with the "Persecution Complex" I would have felt "yes, I am doing Jehovah's will and this are Satan's minions attacking us. I don't see the good because you all remember reading about the attacks in Russia, Poland, Africa and many of you were praying for attacks to cease so why is attacking them at their gathering place good?

  Gayle we are so lucky to live in a Country that holds those articles with deep conviction! Your valid points with core doctrines our great grandparents fought for should not be tossed out the door because our feelings are hurt.

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  irst Amendment

  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petitition the Government for a redress of grievances. We should not break the law or right of people to 'peaceably' assemble in order to make our point."
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  Article: Indiana man, a JW, now in prison asks local Muslims for forgiveness for setting fire to their prayer room in the Islamic Center

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.toledoblade.com/religion/2015/04/05/arsonist-asks-local-muslims-for-forgiveness.html.

  the fire was set in the prayer room.

  damage from smoke and water used to extinguish the september, 2012, blaze caused the islamic center of greater toledo to stay closed until spring of 2013.

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  It reads like he was former military and not a JW, the same impression you got. If he became a witness in prison that might explain his apology letter because the elders would ask him to do such a thing to get a reduced sentence?

  No mention of Jehovah Witness ties, only he wanted revenge for his fallen soldiers by terrorists.

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/randy-linn-burn-mosque-revenge_n_2337514.html