Will China become the largest Christian Nation in the World, i've heard tell of this for years and now with all their wealth and longing after decades of corruption and State Sponsored anti-religion, why is one of the largest educated groups changing?
PokerPlayerPhil
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World becoming more religious not less
by Stealth inthis is bad news for the evolution of humankind.
even worse, islam is the fastest growing religion.
http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html?cmpid=nl_ls_weekly_2015-04-03 .
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Tsarnaev guilty - should he get death or not?
by Simon ini think he probably will (it is the us after all) but i hope he doesn't.
he caused incredible pain and suffering to men, women and children who had never done anything to him.
many died in unimaginable agony, others are disabled for life.
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PokerPlayerPhil
If you put him in a jail in Death Valley, California or Arizona with "Sheriff Joe", we need him to experience pain horrendous pain (Shawshank Redemption?) and suffering in some run down prison where he's feed Banquet Pork potpies and Strawberry Quick for all three-squares.. Colorado has some radical leaders inside their Super-max prison system, I wish he was in a prison like the Costa Rican or Panamanian 'Prison Break" show not a clean Super-Max.
He's going to write a book, get a movie made about him and have crazy people writing him (Fan girls), you sure you want him to use up resources that would be better expended on your kids or gran kids?
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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments
by Newly Enlightened inthanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.
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PokerPlayerPhil
Did you know the Elders under the older regimes would have a young child crossed examined by the pedophile who molested her/him? This false religion makes me want to puke, as spoken by the majority "God has nothing to do with the Watchtower form of devotion to a man-made organization". They condemn themselves in their own writings and this Elder Book is nothing more than self damnation! -
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What I Saw & Heard in the Oral Argument Hearing on January 14, 2015
by ABibleStudent inim not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
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PokerPlayerPhil
Please tell me that Candace is not going to lose this lawsuit and your views it the Watchtower must confess their sins to the public court of opinion. I don't like the Watchtower hurting people and often they hurt the victims, not the perps!
I am so sorry Ms Conti! All we can do is pray God, the Universe will punish these wicked doers!
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Shepherding textbook in digital format 2012 Printing
by hildebrando in"the watchtower is butchering the 2010 elders manual, and has released this new one to all elders.
to many court cases involve exposing the 2010 elder manual, so now the watchtower is changing a few things with this new one".
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Can you put these links on outside the western words servers so the Watchtower can't take the down? Thank you for making the Watchtower so transparent, they don't deserve any secrets either! -
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Has Anyone Been Pressured to Use the Elders to Judge a Secular Dispute?
by berrygerry inpage 133 of the flock book states that "paul gave strong counsel" about taking a brother to court.. the most pertinent reference is the nov 15, 1973 wt qfr.. that article says:.
"here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.
the judges would be men who were not governed by the lofty principles of gods law and whose consciences were not trained through a study of his word.
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My family was ripped off by one of the Elders and the Elders kept telling me they could get this brother to pay what was owed, they totally failed!
Mother was ripped off by Jehovah's Witnesses and she too was told, "Just wait upon Jehovah and know the Brothers are doing their best to resolve this without using Satan's unclean judicial system(unclean, dirty, why did mother get ripped off from holy jws?).
There's a brother who was financial planning and put all his elderly JWs in the most crazy mutual funds before the stock market crashed because it had a 9% fee to it's seller(brother Arse). When the friends ended up needing those funds because they thought there were sold short-term bonds they were totally screwed.
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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?
by PokerPlayerPhil inall of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!
i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.
when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.
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I wish I had the brains to examine my system of beliefs and why those people yelling at Dodger Stadium's near entrance and Assembly Halls in Woodland Hills were pissed off. Were lucky we have the ability and rights to protest unhealthy beliefs, other nations don't have our gift to express freely how they feel. I never would have seen myself appreciate nations with freedom of religion, as Jehovah's Witnesses we showed no appreciation and often I caught Witnesses cheating on their taxes, stealing from brothers and sisters and we had one big Ponzi Scam in San Diego, San Francisco, Florida, New York with the main goal of stealing from uneducated and unsophisticated Witnesses because the majority of Witnesses are not very savvy with their money and far too trusting for con-men to slip on in. Understanding their rage is easy using 20-20 hindsight vision, if only we did pay attention instead of our conditioned response of plugging our ears and covering our eyes.
The Watchtower is to blame 99% for many problems Jehovah's Witnesses encounted because from youth we were deceived with unreal expectations, poor thinking skills they drilled, inculcated (think of poor Caleb sitting on Tony Morris lap being told revisionist history) youth our ability to "trust our brothers", "Jehovah's Witnesses don't sue each other like the World does(that was BS!) because their closer to a new creation!) and we attacked the Catholic Church with a vengeance when the Pedophile Scandal erupted in a lawsuit and media frenzy in the 1990s(how soon our zealous leaders would be paid back for being so arrogant while throwing stones from our glass-fortress.
On a different website I met someone who is still in the Organization even though he was taken for $20,000 by the JW Sister running her scam under a "Pay-Day Loan shop. The only reason she got hammered was she took money from high ranks in her area and even as far as New York. funny when good things happen it's Jehovah's Organization and when bad and wicked actions occur we blame Satan attacking Jehovah's clean people.
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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?
by PokerPlayerPhil inall of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!
i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.
when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.
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Dear William, your right I needed to qualify my statement by saying that people "of age" (what age in your opinion is fair to accept the blame for not using our brains, I am so mad at my ignorance and failure to think but won't protest in a Kingdom Hall no matter how much anger that could,might or won't release) are guilty because there are high school kids who have picked the religion apart. I remember the Elders disfellowshiped a teenager for "apostasy" because of their inability to answer his sincere questions about the Organization.
What does that say about people like me who stayed in the Organization until I was treated badly and that's when I question it's validity? Shame on me, I tried to catch the teenager through Facebook and apologize because I refused to hear his arguments about the Truth being false. At what point is it our fault we allowed ourselves to coast along, refuse to engage with educated members of the world and admit as a religion, we are some of the most selfish people in the World?
Yes, I committed a "hasty generalization" error and apologize for not adding proper additions, when do you think it's our fault for failure to recognize we were not thinking and blindly led by a majority of ignorant tricked me too?
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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?
by PokerPlayerPhil inall of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!
i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.
when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.
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All of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault! I had many clues they were lying about our religion but I failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice. When I read about people who confronted the Elders and won their judicial committees (even though the JW Elders DF'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than I will ever be.
JWs and Ex-JWs are not masochist(that's why I started to fade, the hurtful lies and slander were to painful to handle), they don't enjoy pain or getting hurt nor do they thrive off evil and persecution. The majority of Ex-JWs are dignified and classy, a few are angry with just cause, I don't know how deep the pain is running in their hearts but it must be large to go back inside the Kingdom Hall and use tactics the Watchtower once used on peaceful Christians in the 1920s-1930s during their Sunday Worship with big horns screaming "Religion is a Snare and a Racket" campaign of Jehovah Witness Religious Intolerance! or love pain and persecution and doing our best to avoid it is what rational humans do.
I read many stories here and you too have had to deal with a large portion of sociopaths making rules for you to obey and handle the evil actions by ruthless men and women(I've now seen JW women are more wicked than the men in my experience) who enjoy hurting other women. These leaders of our Cult did not take "No!" or "I think it's a bad idea" or "I think your wrong!" without creating problems for us at the Kingdom Hall or spreading lies in our "circle of fake friends" When attending Meetings during your zealous involvement with Organiztation would protestors using strongarm methods have changed your minds they way facts on JWN and JW-Facts have? I learned the hard way recently that Elders and people in high places don't care about the Sheep, in fact they trampled on us because they can. In one of the books I am reading, it mentions Cults are means for some the worst of humanity to secure power and wield it over others in very harmful and egregious manners. No amount of yelling has helped me reinforce I was in a cult the way JWN and JW-Facts and all the wickedness caused by the Elders and their evil wives.
The gossiping and lies committed against us while being told "Wait on Jehovah to settle" by Elders who tell you "I know those Elders don't belong in their positions and I too wish Jehovah would remove them because they truly are evil(this told by the body of Elders I use to be friends with but are too afraid to take action. These older Elders are afraid of the wickedness used by the Elders screwing with me and my ex-wife, I would to punish them but that would made me like them.
"…16"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, 17Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. 18"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.…
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Watchtower June 15 2015, Misleading Reference to Past Statement...
by BluesBrother inif this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .
they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.
live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.
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PokerPlayerPhil
Thank's for keeping us updated, did not run across this information and how true as you wrote quoting "1984" and the fact of creating a false past to avoid dealing with their hopeless future. The Internet and facts you provide to JWs are what is bringing us out of the Cult, not invading their unhappy Memorials by yelling and screaming or photographing people when their vulnerable. You remember that saying "Just the facts baby and nothing more", that's what's killing their religion, not outbursts or trouble making!
"Sounds different to me. He may have spoke of the end of the Gentile Times, which they have chosen to stick with, but the reality is totally different.
In Orwell's 1984 it is acknowledged that "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”...
it seems that the WT writers went to the Orwell school of disinformation but we have news for you WTS...In the 21st Century nobody controls the present medium!"
BluesBro