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  At last finished reading Crisis of Conscience

  by diamondblue1974 in

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  and what an eye opener it was...dont get me wrong i faded some 10 years ago and the reasons for such were contained in the book, i.e 1914, failed prophecies and so forth.. the expose is disarming by its objective style and whilst i now read any literature through sceptical eyes i could see a person genuinely grieved by what had taken place and the crisis he was subjected to conscientiously; it said it all to me when he said that his aim was not to divert people from the jws but give them support so they could develop as christians and therefore allow them to come to their own conclusions (or words to that effect).. extremely well written and consise with reams of references (which i happen to love).. anyone that is recently out must read this book...it objective, honest and was totally surprising in parts.. db74

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  marxiami

  My favorite part was where he explained the method of talking above the members. That is to make things so complicated that a person feels dumb and refrains from not knowing the meaning at all.

  I used to think that everytime I accedently listened at the KH at one Watchtower meeting and the subject was, "Handling the Truth Aright" What the hell does that mean?

  I really believed I was the stupid one and all the others were so intelligent. Needless to say nobody got it. Does anyone remember some of the members that seemed a few fries short of a Happy Meal answering the questions in the Watchtower?

  I remeember going once with my wife who wasn't a wittness nnd she said, "They are just reading back what was read, no one has their own opinion"

  Hmm.. I never thought of that at the time.

  Moooooooo...Mooooooo (as they are being lead off to the slaughter)
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  Tonight, I talk to the elders about becoming an unbaptised publisher.

  by Buck in

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  tonight i meet with the overseer?

  and another elder.

  plus the older gentlemen who i study with.

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  marxiami

  Lots of good advice here. You remind me of someone I know ( http://www.freeminds.org/stories/growup.htm - Second story down) yep, that was me a couple of years ago. I remember being lost and confused. Now that I look back on that I really see how the mind control tactics had a hold on me EVEN though I hadn't gone to a meeting in 10 years. It was instilled in me.

  I have been there also thinking the person who I am in love with is the only person for me, that's it and that's all. No discussion. But all these years later I am with someone who is truly my soul mate and has helped me grow in every way. If I had stayed where I was with who I was with, I would have been with someone else by now anyway. Anything that involves doubts is temporary, as having doubts is never a long term disease. It always effects change eventually. That is with everything.

  My advice? Do what I did. If I was going to be a JW, I was going to be in it all the way, involving my family all the way. If I wasn't going to be in it, I was ALL the way out. The way I got to where I am today is

  1. Research the origin of the religion. Where did it start? Who started it? Why was it started? Why wasn't it around prior to the start? Who runs it now? Who wrote any of the books? What was their name? What is the end objective of the organization? You have to do this from outside sources as I did. the public library, the Internet, News articles, Court documents, (they have been sued a lot and a lot is revealed under testimony that is public knowledge)

  2. Read Crisis of Conscience Ask yourself what is Ray Franz's motivation for writing such a book? Knowing that mind control is very powerful and infective, how easy was it for Ray to completely reject the teachings he had all his life?

  3. Read Steve Hassan's book regarding mind control tactics. (Written about the Moonies, but JW can easily be interchanged with the Moonies)

  Bottom line, don't do it half assed, if you are going to be a JW, be a JW and not a "Un-baptized" Whozit or Whatnot. But for Jimminy Cricket's sake whatever you do, don't do it without the research. You wouldn't buy a house, get major surgery, purchase a car, a computer, or even get addicted to Coke-a Cola without tasting Pepsi to be sure.

  Last point, the witnesses will tell you "Don't go to the outside world to find out about the religion, if you want to learn how to bake cookies, you go to the baker" But as I see it, it depends on what kind of cookie we're talking about, chocolate chip or the urinal type.