yeah of course. It's like saying that Armageddon would also be a loving provision. I think they are not only weird up in Brooklyn they are sick, sick people.
Posts by zagor
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64The Loving Provision Of Disfellowshipping.
by Englishman inwatchtower, july 15, 1995:.
disfellowshippinga loving provision?.
"holy, holy, holy is jehovah god, the almighty.
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How many true scholars/scientists are there really among JWs?
by zagor inthis is a question i've been puzzled by ever since my days in the borg.
everywhere i looked i saw tradesmen, cleaner, auto-mechanics here and there some computer technician.
and i do know there are two doctors, one gp and one specialist in the field of drug rehabilitation.. i've heard stories of some being true scholars though.
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zagor
Hello Froggy
I always found it interesting that the WT didn't advocate higher learning to it's subjugates, but would lick their lips greedily if an accademic became an interested one. There were always parts on the DC or assembly about this sort of thing. Afterall, if an educated accademic in the field of law/medicine was interested in the "truth", then this must mean that the WT teachings have strong merit, and therefore one and all attached to the org should be praised for their abilit to think so deeply?!? The WT is always very willing to usher these ones into their bethels to fix the teeth and cure the colds of their worker bees on the cheap
Must have been telepathy since I was gonna say the same. It is quite confusing and I guess merits seperate thread in itself.
Anyone here from Brooklyn bethel to enlignten us all???!!??? -
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How many true scholars/scientists are there really among JWs?
by zagor inthis is a question i've been puzzled by ever since my days in the borg.
everywhere i looked i saw tradesmen, cleaner, auto-mechanics here and there some computer technician.
and i do know there are two doctors, one gp and one specialist in the field of drug rehabilitation.. i've heard stories of some being true scholars though.
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zagor
This is a question I've been puzzled by ever since my days in the borg. Everywhere I looked I saw tradesmen, cleaner, auto-mechanics here and there some computer technician. And I do know there are two doctors, one GP and one specialist in the field of drug rehabilitation.
I've heard stories of some being true scholars though. To what extent would these be true scholars I don't know, I've never met any of them. And let's not forget that in order to be qualified as a TRUE scholar one would have to have at least a doctorate, PhD or MD and have several year of post-doctorate research experience.
Of course, I do realize that other fundamentalist religions are probably not much better in that regard either, but few of those venture in handling scientific issues anyway (at least not on the scale WTBS does)If there are such people I would love to know what force is keeping them inside and what made them leave their scientific objectivity behind.
On the other hand, I’d love to hear from you guys and gals. Are there any true scholars on this board? And I mean scholars with their PhDs hanging on the wall of some office or university.
When we are venturing in the field of scholarship it is not enough simply having a bachelor degree (even if it is from Ivy league university or any other prestigious university) Simply because in your undergraduate study you are learning fundamentals of your field and have not been fully immersed in all controversial, at the edge of science stuff. Neither have you received due recognition for profoundness of your way of thinking. (Don’t want to make anyone feel offended but this is reality. It doesn’t mean that someone is nuts if he/she doesn’t have these stratosphere degrees but such degrees are, nonetheless, recognition from “this world” that you are true ace in your field of expertise)
Hope to get some positive feedback.
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Did Paul admit his writings are not infallible?
by logansrun innotice this: 1 corinthians 7:25 -- "now concerning virgins i have no command from the lord, but i give my opinion as one who had mercy shown him by the lord to be faithful.".
does not paul here tell his readers flat out that what he is about to say is not inspired, at least not in the jw/fundamentalist idea of "the bible writers were only secretaries for god"?
later this: 1 corinthians 7:40 -- "but she is happier if she [a widower] remains as she is, according to my opinion.
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zagor
Not long ago there was a program on History channel about bible and Christianity. One of the scholars made an interesting observation. He said that “it is obvious that all of Paul's letters were in effect private letters; he never thought these would be included in biblical canon. If Paul had known that his letters would become later a part of holly scriptures he would’ve been much more prudent in the way how he expressed himself.”
Really, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out. Take any Paul’s letter and you'll see a depth of personal touch, thoughts being expressed in first person, talking about his opinions, writing about his personal experiences, giving advice on "drinking wine", etc. All of which stands out like a sore thumb when compared with rest of the bible. -
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Excellent article on WT mind control!
by truth_about_the_truth injehovah's witnesses .
if you are one of jehovah's witnesses your mind is being controlled by someone else without your knowledge.
mind control - what is it?.
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Why JW are overweight and unhealthy
by 5thGeneration inwe were told at our convention that "some" brothers and sisters exercise up to an hour or 2 a day.
"some" even join gyms.
then we were told that this would be "self-serving" and a real waste of valuable time better spent on theocratic things.. ouch!.
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are you pessimistic or optimistic about the future?
by nowisee ini just saw a documentary called "the corporation".
very disturbing.. one premise put forth likened our reality to those who first experimented with flying.
they formed contraptions with wings and jumped off cliffs.
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zagor
Neither, I'm possibilistic. Future is what you make of it. Often self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Genesis Chapter 34
by rocketman inwhether you think the bible is the word of god or not, one thing is pretty clear: it relates some disturbing stories.
some of those stories can even be termed as sordid.
genesis 34 contains an account of moral degradation that is almost unrivaled (though the story contained in genesis 38 comes close, and judges 19 probably exceeds it) in terms of moral perfidy.. genesis 34 relates the account of the sexual violation of jacob's daughter dinah, followed by the shocking overreaction by her brothers.
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zagor
There are many interesting problems with this story. If it is a morality tale, it is a very poor one; the narration takes a neutral stance towards the events, God never appears in the story to cast judgment or censure anyone for their actions (as he does elsewhere in Genesis), Jacob warns that Simeon and Levi that they may face retaliation for what they had done but such retaliation never occurs, it is not clear whether Simeon and Levi acted heroically or foolishly, and so forth.
Real life is hardly a book story. When you put it the way you did above it sounds as if story has elements of truth in it. Perhaps it is completely true story precisely because of apparent lack of objective or underlying theme. What do you think about that possibility?
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Are Governing Body Members Reading J.W.D.?
by frankiespeakin ini mean at least most of them except for the real old ones that can't take care of themselves anymore.
cast your vote.
also i would like your vote on whether you think they are reading it more often as time goes on.
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zagor
of course! where do you think they get all their new light from?
LOL, that's really good