... and if even female athletes use pregnency to improve performance and then terminate it few months later that's just sick.
Posts by zagor
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zagor
Didn't want to post on this thread any more but ...
Ya, so Zagor........you think it's right for some freaking lunatic like this mother to have a child in the first place??
That’s rather a lame attempt to sidetrack discussion away from the real issue here, and at that a favorite WTBS method. It is good to see that Theocratic Ministry School worked for you Mary.
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zagor
Zagor I can appreciate your passionate beliefs....however to be quite candid....as a male you will never have to face this decision ultimately. From perusing this thread most all of the uber anti-abortion folks seem to be men.
As I have said I would like to see other options rather than abortion, but will not force my opinion on others. The world is not quite so black and white, but rather many shades of grey. I would bet that 90% or more of abortions are given long, heartfelt, prayerful consideration by the women envolved. Who am I to judge them of their spiritual and ethical concerns?
EF,
I agree with you to an extent. (Particularly about not judging people) Though studies here show that in many instances abortion has become”contraception" of choice here. Not sure what it is like in States though.
There was also a program on TV recently that spoke of how many of young female students that come here from Asia quickly opt for abortion to conceal pregnancy. And it is not only them; many career women do the same so we are not only talking about teenagers who didn’t know better.
I could not impose my view on someone even if I tried so this is beyond the point, what I do believe though is that people need to be educated of what is at stake before they do it. I’ve hard many stories about women now suffering deep depression and suicidal feeling once they realize they’ve just ended a life of their own child. It doesn’t happen in every case admittedly but I would wonder if they had to make same decision that they would do the same.
This is not really a religious issue as some are trying to present it but true human issue about what it means to be a human. An issue that separates us from animals who don't care. (Though that would be debatable too I know). And as such deserves to be discussed and not pushed under the rug of us not wanting to be judgemental. How is it that one is judgemental if he tells the facts? -
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"A man who takes it upon himself to prescribe how others should dispose of their own lives - and who seeks to condemn them by law, i.e., by force, to the drudgery of an unchosen, lifelong servitude (which, more often than not, is beyond their economic means or capacity) - such a man has no right to pose as a defender of rights. A man with so little concern or respect for the rights of the individual, cannot and will not be a champion of freedom or of capitalism."
This is a typical oxymorn statement, I love Ayn Rand but in this case she is just plain wrong. Being a doctor as you say you are you know full well that mother is not desposing of her own life but of life of her baby. And I would seriously wonder who has little concern or respect for the rights of the individaul in this case whether one who is terminating someone's life or one who tries to protect it.
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zagor
It really spooks me that so many people would use any argument just to justify terminating child’s life. This is way beyond whether bible or any other “holy” book approves of it. It is just plain wrong in a same way a murder is. You don’t have to have bible to tell you that mate. Not long ago there way an incident on telly where apparently mother has not only abandoned her newborn baby but threw her into sewage. There was a public outcry. The fact is, had she just aborted that baby a month or two earlier no one would have seen anything wrong with it. Never mind that premature babies can survive if born even earlier than that. And if these images are haunting then they should be. We so often get into depths of philosophizing about the issue without stopping to see what really is at stake here. These images are not “tiny percentage” every child looks like that. And if you are wondering what aborted child looks like I'd suggest you to go to nearby hospital and watch the procedure and see what it looks like and where her tiny body ends. This kind of argument makes me vomit.
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Corrupting historical facts
by Hellrider inat the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
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zagor
Hellrider,
Well I guess in a way it is good that book with such arguments has been published outside of confines of religious literature. Now serious researchers will have a chance to peer review it and tear it apart if it is wrong as many suggest it is. If 607 BCE stayed only on pages of WTBS publications it would never have gotten attention of serious experts.
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... and just for the record this is what you are killingIt is not a tumor or an object that is bothering you. And this is what you do to her.
(it is too gruesome to post it here so have a look for yourself)
http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/abortion_types/abortion18.jpg
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zagor
If there were a concensus of a large number of women that have had an abortion i would doubt that any of them would say it was just a fling abortion and it didn't cause them emotional distress. You can argue for prolife with touching stories about how people were born and had a great life when they didn't opt for abortion, but I garrentee you that there's 10 times more stories of individuals who have died from starvation since their parents couldn't care for them or obtain contraceptive or an abortion.
I'm not saying it shoud be outlawed just pointing how SICK our modern way of thinking really is. The very fact that people would do it even if it were illegal proves that argument even further. If we don't value a life of our own flesh and blood regardless whether it has be concieved at a "proper time" then how can we demand any rights for ourselves?!?!? And if we can then we are trully selfish.
It is not child's fault that we have had unprotected sex, is it? Or are we showing concern for that baby's future by putting it to death before it had chance to make anything out of its life. Sort of removing of undesirables to make room for ones that have better chance of surviving, reminds me of 1940's. -
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Was Bush holding his script upside down when he read that? Who REALLY wrote it? Because Bush doesnt have any thoughts of his own. He follows the script master. If its politically expedient, and the script master tells him, he will say it.
Hes only interested in golf, and you know it.
It is NOT who said it but WHAT has been said
