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  Why believe in the Big Bang?

  by defender of truth in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zgr7fg8.

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  Caedes

  I don't believe in it, the evidence supports the theory.
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  A Thread for Cyclists - Where Do you Ride?

  by cofty in

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  i took up cycing a couple of months ago just to get fitter and lose a bit of excess weight.. i bought a second-hand hybrid bike (weighs only slightly less than a truck) and fitted road tyres.

  four or five times a week i will go for a ride after work for an hour or so.

  i am fortunate enough to live in rural north england surrounded by limitless quiet roads.

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  Caedes

  I have been riding all my life.

  http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Felt-F75X-2013-Cyclocross-Bike_57367.htm

  That is my latest bike, its a cyclo cross bike so you can ride off-road and on-road. I've upgraded quite a few bits on it. First thing to do was get clipless pedals so your feet are attached to the pedals and a better saddle.

  I also have an Ellsworth moment mountain bike but I rarely get to anything lumpy enough to warrant a full suspension mountain bike.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim,

  Any use of energy is going to increase chaos.

  Overall entropy increases regardless of what we do. You think that your choices makes even a scratch on the surface of the 5.5 x 10 24 J (5.5 YottaJoules) of energy we get from the sun every day?

  So when do you explain the link between free will and natural disasters?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim,

  I don't think you can say I'm close-minded to what you have to say, because you haven't said anything yet.

  Entropy is a natural process that will carry on long after the human race goes the way of the dodo.

  There is no link because ultimately it makes no difference if you choose to eat bad food or good food, entropy in the universe as a whole increases regardless. In fact your choice of what to eat makes no difference to the amount of energy being pumped into the earth by our sun. In fact if you think of an example, there is a blackberry bush outside, the bush will continue to fruit regardless of whether they are eaten or not. That local decrease in entropy happens regardless of my choice to eat the blackberries.

  Even if you take the case of putting fuel in your car and you use some of that millenia old energy to drive around all you have done is converted some energy into a different form and used it quicker than it might have been used otherwise. So i am afraid you have failed to show a mechanical link between free will and thermodynamics.

  So you have still failed to show any sort of connection between free will and natural disasters.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim,

  I haven’t really Caedes, as it is eminently logical to see that choices can only be good or bad and the universe has to have both to make such choice a reality. The mechanism, if you want to call it that, is thermodynamics.

  It is probably only fair to warn you that as an engineer I have a pretty good understanding of thermodynamics. There is no link between thermodynamics, free will in human beings and natural disasters. If you have empirical evidence you should present it and take your place as one of the most important scientists of our age.

  Surely however, you appreciate that choices can be neutral? Or do you gloss over that because it highlights just how false your dichotomy is.

  So I will repeat my question since you haven't answered it yet, what is the link?

  You didn't answer my other question either "what makes a natural disaster, 'so called'"
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Caedes

  Seraphim, you have failed to show that natural disasters are linked to free will, what mechanism links the two?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Caedes

  so callednatural disasters (my emphasis)

  What exactly makes a natural disaster 'so called'

  Unfortunately you are glossing over the fact that not all natural disasters are of the same scale. There are earthquakes all the time, but not all of them result in untold misery and suffering. It's the same with every other natural phenomenon.

  The other problem is that natural disasters have nothing whatsoever to do with free will.

  It seems your argument boils down to god likes to do do a lot of killing to remind everyone how much he loves them.
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  Atheism is a Belief System

  by seekchristonly in

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  is atheism a belief system.

  after all the atheist believes there is no god .so if that's the case then an atheist if a person of faith.

  they have faith in the fact there is no god.

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  FHN,

  That is not the only position to take, No theist has provided any empirical evidence to support a belief in gods therefore I reject that belief. In exactly the same way that I see no evidence for santa claus, the tooth fairy or trolls. As I said earlier in this thread you are merely trying to equate your faith in unsubstantiated claims with my skepticism for that belief. They are not the same and never will be. Its almost as if you are ashamed of your faith.
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  How important do you believe education and knowledge is?

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. watchtower
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  how educated are you?

  and how great is your vocabularly ect ....?.

  do you think ir right to judge people by how intelligent/ educated they are and how much vocabulary they use???.

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  Caedes

  I think we have quite a few uneducated people on this forum who are arrogant, conceited and believe that their wild guesses are somehow equivalent to years of education, serious study and learning. They have a tendancy to go on at length on topics which they not only know nothing about and more importantly are unwilling to learn about.

  Conversely, if you asked most educated people they could probably give you a long list of things they know nothing about.
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  IS Science Absolute Truth

  by seekchristonly in

  1. watchtower
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  if we have faith in science and scientific claims about the universe, origins of life etc.

  is that absolute truth.

  if so then if they declare that god exists with evidence then do all those who believe in science then believe in god or a creator.

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  Caedes

  James brown,

  Science is the absolute truth until it is not.

  Science bled George washington to death with the absolute truth that was not.

  First Pluto was a planet, then it was not a planet, Now that it has 5 moons and an atmosphere

  it is either a planet or about

  to be a plaent again. (sic)

  So you chose to ignore every sensible post saying that science never claims to have absolute truth?

  That wooshing noise was the sound of the point sailing far far above your head.