Posts by Caedes

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Sport Motorcycle riding anyone?

by SpeedRacer in

just curious to see how many on here like to carve up roads.

if so what type of bike and where do you ride.. 1987 yamaha fj1200.

1986 yamaha fj1200.

Caedes

Honda CBR 600 although i have ridden various other bikes as well.

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Scottish independance in two days what do you think?

by barry in

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one thing i would like to say is will the union jack be changed because the scottish flag is incorpreted in it.

if the union jack is changed will we change our australian flag because the union jack is in our flag?

even hawawi has the union jack also fiji and many other commonwealth countries.. .

Caedes

Caedes...Scottish culture will remain.

We would still remain part of these islands, we are not drifting into the atlantic.

Best wishes

I was not implying that scottish culture would cease to exist that would be a stupid thing to say, I am saying that culturally the united kingdom will be poorer if scotland is no longer part of it. I would say the same thing about cornwall, we have our fair share of people who think that cornwall should be independant.

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Scottish independance in two days what do you think?

by barry in

jw
friends

one thing i would like to say is will the union jack be changed because the scottish flag is incorpreted in it.

if the union jack is changed will we change our australian flag because the union jack is in our flag?

even hawawi has the union jack also fiji and many other commonwealth countries.. .

Caedes

Personally, I will be sad to see the scottish people leave the union (if that is what they choose) and I think we will both be poorer (culturally) for it.

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What is the wackiest or strangest teaching that Witnesses adhere to?

by stuckinarut2 in

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Caedes

That god exists and is real?

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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

Caedes

Sure. In which one of my posts did you quote from where I allegedly said this?:

Well, I am going to have to guess what you are actually asking since your question appears to have been edited by someone with a Yoda-like grasp of basic grammar.

If you have to cherry-pick, misrepresent and lie to make your arguments, Caedes, maybe you shouldn't be making them. (post by ADCMS No.3363)

"There are ways to reduce the chance a 9 year old girl will shoot someone in the face with an uzzi accidentally kill herself colliding with a tree while downhill skiing: Dont give her a loaded uzzi and ask her to shoot it pair of skis and tell her to slalom."

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So the next time we hear a story about a 9 year-old who gets into the driver's seat of the family car and accidentally kills her dad by running him over in the driveway, I expect to hear a lot of JWN posters call for the banning of automobiles. The only way to make cars safe is to make sure no one has one. (full post by ADCMS No.3266 italics mine)

Flawed logic caedes.

Accidents happen, whether through deliberate misuse of something or if all safety precautions have been observed.

A firearm is a tool (whether for hunting, self-defense or target shooting) and has an inherent risk in using it. Power saws and air nailers are also tools that have an inherent risk in their use. And, even when done safely, accidents still happen.

The difference is when a carpenter accidentally cuts off a finger or hand with a power saw, no one begins clamoring for the banning of power saws.

If this girl was being instructed in the use of an air nailer, and she accidentally killed her instructor with that air nailer, would you use the same argument you used above?? (Full Post by ADCMS No. 3267)

I see, so if she had killed the instructor with a .22 pistol ("bunny slope") instead of an Uzi ("black diamond run") it would count only as an unforseeable accident?

You must not have read the story, LisaRose. Your argument falls flat, she was "supervised and given instruction that would limit any danger". As I said, had the parents handed their daughter an Uzi, or any other firearm, and told her to go play, all these arguments people are making would be completely valid when the inevitable accident occurred. The fact is she was being instructed by a licensed professional in a controlled setting, a firing range.

Accidents happen. (Full post by ADCMS No. 3268, edited to remove the quote from the person you were replying to)

So those are the three posts where you make the argument that it is just an accident and that if we do anything to restrict childrens access to guns we have to ban cars, skiing, power tools and nail guns. I have quoted you in full, so I am not cherry picking or taking what you say out of context or even attributing something to you that you didn't say. So according to your post if you say that we should stop children shooting uzis we should also ban cars. So what are you saying now? Should we ban cars and and children shooting uzis or is that flawed logic?

There's a big difference between saying "this was an accident" and saying "we should do nothing". Not once in this entire thread have I said nothing should be done.

You went further than merely saying it was an accident as I have shown in your posts above.

So, Caedes, when you can be honest and admit you attributed a quote to me that I did not say, and have been quoting me out of context repeatedly, then you can thump your chest about being honest. However, if you want to continue to put words in my mouth and read into my posts information that simply isn't there, there's nothing I can do about that.

No, I have quoted you exactly and in full from three seperate posts. I haven't taken anything out of context, I have even agreed that you appear to now disagree with your earlier posts. So tell me, can you show me exactly where I have put words into your mouth? Can you be honest and admit that I have quoted you in full and that you still stand by the three posts quoted above? Do you understand by saying that it was just an accident and comparing this to an accident with a power saw you are diminishing what happened?

Ummm...I haven't changed my mind on anything I've said here from my first post. You keep telling me I have, and that is what's confusing you.

If you still stand by the posts that I quoted then you should be ashamed of yourself.

P.S. I did warn you that your statistics were laughable. Did you not realise the daily mail is the UK equivalent to the national enquirer?

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The Illusion of Superiority

by Coded Logic in

after reading dozens and dozens of posts and hundreds of comments, it seems to me that a great many people on this forum think that since they figured out ttatt, they must therefore be a highly intelligent and incredibly rational individual.

let me take a moment to congratulate everyone.

its a big step to figure this out - i know.. that said, it doesn't make you a genius!

Caedes

How to make friends and influence people! Now where is the popcorn?

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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

Caedes

ADCMS

"There are ways to reduce the chance a 9 year old girl will shoot someone in the face with an uzzi accidentally kill herself colliding with a tree while downhill skiing: Dont give her a loaded uzzi and ask her to shoot it pair of skis and tell her to slalom."

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So the next time we hear a story about a 9 year-old who gets into the driver's seat of the family car and accidentally kills her dad by running him over in the driveway, I expect to hear a lot of JWN posters call for the banning of automobiles. The only way to make cars safe is to make sure no one has one.

This is your post where you make a slippery slope argument that banning children from firing uzis would lead to banning skiing and cars. I am not sure how you would read this other than to conclude that the correct course of action is to do nothing since you are clearly not advocating the banning of cars, nail guns or skiing.

So you haven't been claiming throughout this thread that children should not be allowed to do this.

As to your other points, the UK has a much broader definition of violent crime than most countries so the comparison on violent crime is not comparable to the states. The comparison on gun crime is, gun crime in japan and the UK is negligible compared to the states.

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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

Caedes

ADCMS,

Your knee jerk reaction was to claim that it was just an accident so we should do nothing because other wise we have to ban cars and nail guns. I am saying that you can ban small children from having or using this type of weapons, you don't have to ban cars as well.

Should we ban small children from other dangerous activities? Personally I think each case should be looked at on it's own merits. In this case you have a culture developing that directly puts people in danger and hence legislation is appropriate. So in answer to your question no, you are not going to see things banned because a 'special interest' group (for that read general public) says so, each case is going to be different.

Perhaps you should look at it another way, you live in a democracy, that democracy imposes its will on you in lots of different ways; how many members of the general public have to die before the general public get to decide for you that your way of life is too dangerous to tolerate?

I asked TD to expand on a point he made earlier, I am an engineer I am interested to know if TD thinks there were technical reasons why this weapon is so dangerous in the hands of children? You seem to be reading a lot into my posts, I have no retort for TD, it's just an interesting technical detail. Would it make any difference to my conclusion that it is simple to ban children from using this sort of weapon? No, but that doesn't mean I cannot ask someone a question. I am also interested in why you think I should not ask TD a question?

I'm afraid I was unaware that people let children engage in such a stupidly dangerous activity before this story broke, if you had asked me a month ago I would have said the same thing.

I would say the owner and manager of the range should be held partly responsible for the instructors death for allowing this in the first place.

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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

Caedes

ADCMS,

At every stage I have quoted in my posts what I was replying to, the fact that your position has changed over the course of this thread is not something I have any control over. You didn't give a simple synopsis of what happened, you claimed it was just an accident and that it was the same as car accidents or sport accidents and made the point that if people asked for gun control it was the same as asking for cars or skiing to be banned. Would you like me to quote your posts 3266, 3267 and 3268 as evidence?

This was not an accident, any reasonable person can see that it could have been forseen that giving a child an uzi was going to result in this kind of incident. Any kind of health and safety management assessement should have asked the question what could possibly go wrong if we give small children automatic weapons. They either didn't ask the question or ignored the obvious solution to the problem. Quite clearly the responsibility for this incident lies with the instructor and weapon range manager and with the parents for allowing their child to be in that situation.

I am sure if you had asked the guy who died or the parents they would have told you they were responsible gun owners. I am sure the vast majority of gun owners do act responsibly, my point was that you can't always trust peoples own assessment of their competence and that the only discussion going on in the states by gun owners is people stating that they will not support any level of gun control. The very act of saying you support no or little gun control is being irresponsible.

I hate to break it to you but comparing levels of gun control between states in the US is laughable, try comparing with japan or the UK if you want to see the effects of genuine gun control.

TD,

I would be interested to know what the effects of the lower powered cartridge have on the mechanism, presumably a lower power cartridge results in less muzzle climb? Is there a mechanism in the uzi to minimise the muzzle climb problem? Is it possible that a lower power cartridge somehow makes the weapon less controllable?

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Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital

by jwleaks in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .

jw leaks.

Caedes

Hmm, yes, sign a petition to encourage the reckless endangerment of children. Did you forget how highly the WBTS value potential martyrs for the cause? Some people have very short memories.