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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

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  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  Hence the banning of Baa Baa Black Sheep to protect people that are not offended by it in the first place. I see PC as a thin end of a wedge that will erradicate ANY free speech.

  But there is no ban on baa baa black sheep, you keep on saying it but it simply is not the case.

  You mentioned health and safety earlier, which has a similar problem. The people who make the sort of decisions that end up in the pages of the Sun are not health and safety legislators, they are ordinary people interpreting a set of rules. Nobody from the government has gone to a school and banned conkers, it is simply one person reacting or being overzealous.

  In exactly the same way that nobody in government has banned baa baa black sheep, all it takes is one person to say we should sing something else and suddenly we are all on the highway to hell because political correctness has gone mad. Political correctness is in an even worse position because it is merely opinion, nobody goes to jail because they were not sufficiently PC.

  You claim that political correctness is a slippery slope but generally it is used to describe societal peer pressure, if society is changing and becoming more PC that is a result of a change in social attitudes. Nobody is forced to comply, complaining about peer pressure is a bit like complaining that we are hairless apes.
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  Personally I think free speech applies to everyone - so echoing a view put forward in The Sun or by UKIP is allowed after all. Thanks.

  I merely pointed out that you were echoing their arguments, disagreeing with those arguments does not equate to wanting them suppressed. Glad to see you are embracing your inner UKipper.

  it just means that offensive free speech such as racism isn't given a platform in the public sphere - this point has nothing to do with this thread. There have been no racist views expressed in this thread.

  You seemed to be suggesting that free speech and political correctness were not compatible, I think they are. You are the one that raised the issue of people being accused of being 'waaycist' (sic).

  Since white people are not subject to institutional racism - very dubious statement. Zimbabwe's white farmers, together with their black colleagues, were driven from their farms by Mugabe's institutional racism. Some were beaten and killed.

  Non-sequiter, this thread is about the UK being too PC in the opinion of PON, yourself and a number of others. If you wish to discuss Zimbabwe then that would be best served in a different thread. I presume you aren't claiming that white people are subject to institutional racism in the UK?
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  The reason I am ignoring Caedes is because she or he appears to be looking for a platform for arguing and issuing ad hominems (as per previous threads over the years), looking to spin any comments into negatives, rather than discussing. I refuse to enter into that arena.

  I thought you were advocating un-PC free speech? Why would that not apply to me?

  I would rather a slap in the face than a lie

  Your reaction to my input suggests that you don't actually live by that.
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
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  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  This un-PC free speech that punk is advocating works both ways.

  E.g. if a black person doesn't like white people, let them say so out loud. Rather that than bottling it all up.

  Seems to me that PON really doesn't like un-PC free speech unless you parrot his views.

  Personally I think free speech applies to everyone including people who have offensive views, that doesn't undermine political correctness it just means that offensive free speech such as racism isn't given a platform in the public sphere. Everyone is entitled to hold and voice even offensive opinions as long as society doesn't give them credence.

  Since white people are not subject to institutional racism then a black person saying he doesn't like white people is merely being insulting rather than being racist in the same way (and with the same meaning) it would be if the roles were reversed.
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  I think you cant be bothered to respond because you haven't actually got a point in the first place, and being offended about being called a twat after complaining about political correctness makes you a hypocrite to boot.
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  Caedes - so it seems you are comfortable with the fact that one bad remark cost this person his job.

  He chose to resign from one honorary position, due to his sexist remarks at women's conference. He still has a job as I pointed out in my first post.

  Do you not recognise that you are echoing the low-brow arguments of those two institutions - is this not allowed?!

  So my comparison was entirely correct then?
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  Whereas calling me young fella mi lad was of course not meant to be patronising, it sounds to me you don't like being offended, perhaps I should be more politically correct?

  I must have missed the all the legislation and court cases over people singing baa baa black sheep! That is your example of 'persecution' wow!
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  LUHE - I was a bit confused by the Sun reading UKIP comment. It kind of seemed odd that someone so concerned about the feelings of others resorted to that type of biggoted speech. Good that Caedes has freedom of speech....at the moment!

  It's amusing that you object to the comparison since they both make exactly the same argument as you have made on this thread, it is hardly bigoted to point out the similarity.

  Since I am part of the evil conspiracy trying to make this world a better place it makes sense that I am free to be as big a do-gooder as I wish to be. (You might want to have a think about using that as an insult, it doesn't mean what you think it means) I would suggest watching the following Mitchell and Webb video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  Sir Tim Hunt resigned from an honorary position - he still lost his job over fairly harmless remarks. As I said, it could have been dealt with over a pot of coffee in about 5 mins. Are you comfortable with his resignation?

  I take it you didn't actually read my previous response as I answered both of these points, you do realise that his remarks were directed at all women working in laboratories? Exactly how big is this pot of coffee?

  The rest of this thread is 'The Sun/UKIP we want the good old days' nonsense - absolute b*ll*cks. Society has worked hard to eliminate the sexist, racist, homophobic language of the 70s, and rightly so. As punk said, you're somewhat missing the point. Verbal/racist/sexist/homophobic abuse is obviously wrong and should continue to be outlawed. I think what Punk is getting at is that ordinary people aren't allowed to politely express themselves and state views outside of the narrow band of liberal orthodoxy without some t*sspot screaming 'waaycist!'

  What a well thought out response, congratulations, I can see why exams might give you problems. Perhaps you could give an example of whatever point you are trying to make because the OP only talked about minorities and you haven't given an actual example either.

  Personally, I find that people who complain about being called racist are racists.

  Considering the feelings of other members of society doesn't make you the PC gestapo, it makes you a nicer human being - a respected scientist was forced out of his job because of the delicate feelings of the professionally outraged. Congratulations.

  I'm not sure why you are repeating yourself, again my previous post answered this point with actual verifiable facts.

  P.S. I don't read The Sun and I don't support UKIP.

  Do you not recognise that you are echoing the low-brow arguments of those two institutions, of whom you could genuinely say are actually guilty of professional outrage.
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  I think you totally missed my point. At no stage do I endorse the thought that we should say what we like about minorities.

  Well the three 'examples' you used in your OP are minorities, (Drag, Muslims and gay people) is there some other example that better represents the point you are trying to make? The other example you used, Pikeys, are also a minority.

  Rather, people should grow up and stop being so easily offended...especially when it's financially beneficial for them. And will those do gooders stop being offended on behalf of those NOT offended.

  Fortunately, you don't get to dictate how someone else feels about your choice of words, has nobody ever tried to tell you how you feel about something and got it wrong? The fact that some members of a minority aren't offended by something doesn't allow you to assume that an entire group of people feel exactly the same way.

  I'm not sure what you mean about financial benefit, this seems to be a new point you are raising.

  As I previously pointed out it isn't about offense.

  As for evidence..............wow...............how much do you want?

  You haven't produced any evidence so far so...

  ...no one can accuse me of being a bigot......my ethnicity and family is melting pot stuff.

  You are the one complaining about feeling restricted in what you can say about minorities, so what do you want to call them?

  I hope this clears that up.

  Not really!