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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
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  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  The fact is that there isn't a scale at which it is appropriate to talk about injustice. LUHE wants to suggest that an LGBT news site should carry opinion pieces about supporting military action because ISIS kill gay people.

  The facts as I have demonstrated show that Pink news have covered that story in depth, that they are a news site and don't carry many opinion pieces and that their coverage of the story is consistent with their reporting on other stories.

  LUHE hasn't really explained why he feels that other stories shouldn't be covered or why more emotional reporting in this instance would useful or helpful.

  I would argue that progressive attitudes regarding the issue of the killing of gays by ISIS is that they find it as disgusting as LUHE does, do not mistake a difference of opinion in how it is addressed as being some sort of tolerance.

  But fundamentally where I disagree is that there is any benefit in concentrating on only one issue. There has been a huge shift in the west over it's attitude to the rights of all sorts of minority groups. Fighting against injustice is as important in the west (over what may be trivial issues compared to the dangers elsewhere) as it is anywhere, because those shifts in attitude have been won by people (the progressives that are dismissed by LUHE) fighting over one issue at a time.

  Arguing for rights in the west doesn't hinder the fight for justice in the middle east it helps that fight. You can see evidence for that in the political pressure bought by western governments (that only a few short years ago were advocating for discriminatory legislation themselves such as the UK Govt and clause 28) . You don't give up because you don't get everything you ask for, it isn't an all or nothing fight just look at gay marriage for example.

  In short LUHE doesn't get to dictate the issues that LGBT people should be interested in, he doesn't get to say what progressive attitudes are to injustice and neither does he get to decide the 'correct' level of shock that a news site should express in its reporting.
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  I'm specifically concerned with PNs' reporting of and condemnation of treatment of gay people by ISIS and other extremists. Your search ignores this.

  Not really, it tells you the priorities of the editorial team at that site. It tells you which of those stories they perceive as being important.
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  is calling these acts brutal slaughters by Isis thugs more to your liking? - that's more like it. PN journalists are getting better.

  Getting better? No, you just ignored the actual content of pink news that didn't fit with your preconceived ideas until I pointed it out to you.

  That's not what I am talking about. I'd actually like Pink News to support the West's action against homophobic extremists.

  If you want to read something supporting more death and destruction there are plenty of sites that cater to that sort of black and white thinking. Can I suggest you might like Katie Hopkins she is pretty light on facts and heavy on opinion.
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  Lets have a look at basic search results from Pink News to see if this 'bias' is real

  search results for ISIS - 872 results

  search results for Trump - 420 results

  search results for brexit - 14 results

  Hmmm I can see what you mean now, they clearly see some issues as more important than others.
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  no supporting civilised nations' efforts to contain and destroy the extremists,

  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/24/united-nations-to-hold-first-security-meeting-on-lgbt-rights/

  You really aren't very good at this whole research thing are you?
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  Yes, but first and foremost initial news reports are supposed to be about facts, editorials are supposed to come after careful analysis once more of a story has been uncovered.

  I suggest you do some more research however because Pink news seem to have done a number of articles on the subject, is calling these acts brutal slaughters by Isis thugs more to your liking? I would suggest that all of the articles I have read on their site so far show similar levels of restraint in the language they use both to describe Isis thugs, the proposed Muslim ban and racist brexit ads. But don't let a silly little thing like facts get in the way of your outrage.

  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/27/this-crowd-brought-their-children-to-watch-isis-brutally-execute-a-gay-man/
  

  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/01/18/isis-thugs-throw-gay-man-off-a-roof-while-crowd-watches-below/
  
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Caedes

  What happened was accurately if clinically described, with no condemnation from Pink News journalists.

  That is what a journalist is supposed to do, it is up to the reader to decide their own reaction not for the journalist to dictate, within journalism it is the path usually taken when reporting the most egregious acts as it is usually unnecessary to point out the horror when extreme stories are being reported.

  'Shockingly racist’ UKIP-backed Brexit ad features Donald Trump comparing migrants to snakes

  The meaning of the headline is clearly referring to the brexit ad as being shockingly racist not UKIP, feel free to read the article to confirm.

  Sadiq Khan does not want exemption from Trump’s ‘ignorant’ Muslim ban

  Again the headline clearly calls the proposed ban on Muslims ignorant not Donald Trump, feel free to read the article to confirm.

  Pink News journalists can call UKIP 'shockingly racist' and Trump 'ignorant' but they are unwilling or unable to express outrage/condemnation or be judgemental when extremists throw gays of tall buildings.

  Since the slightest research reveals that neither of your two statements are correct, can we assume that you are now happy with their consistent reporting of facts inline with common reporting norms.
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  AGREE? or DISAGREE? Popular Music

  by Terry in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip0wuwjbdmi.

  "from 1955 till present, popular music has declined to the point where it is now consistently "stupid" and homogenous.

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  This is exactly the sort of thing that is said by every generation, I have no doubt that Terry's dad had much the same thing to say about Terry's music. No doubt his grandfather also said the same about his dad's taste in music.

  Yes, some music is crap and vapid. It has always been this way and always will. The artists that put out good music that stands the test of time are few and far between.

  What changes is our willingness to hunt down the good stuff, it takes time and effort to find the gems.
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  Experiences, a rose by any other name.

  by M*A*S*H in

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  every time a jw shares an 'experience' with me (in person or on jw.borg) it always strikes me that basically what they are describing are (alleged) miracles.

  in my mind, i seem to remember i was taught that miracles do not occur in today's world and ended with jesus?

  have i missed something here?.

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  As long as you include 'angels' appearing in the form of big burly men to potential rapists!
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  Where and What. . . IS THE EVIDENCE for "Mental ILLNESS"? ? ?

  by Terry in

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  i have no interest whatsoever in stirring up controversy.. in fact, i find clashes of opinion to be debilitatingly negative.. so, i'd simply like to request that we narrow this discussion to evidence.. please watch this video which is tantalizingly titled :.

  "there's no such thing as mental illness".. consider this data and listen to the presentation of cause vs. effects and give me your analysis and any evidence for conclusions you may draw.

  we all have anecdotal tendencies, but i should remind you, anecdotal testimony isn't evidence, only opinion.________________________________________.

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  Caedes

  Terry,

  I am surprised you fell for this.