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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Caedes

  Prologos,

  Black holes are 'just' very dense dead stars that cause very extreme curvature of space-time, I'm unclear how you think they pertain to this conversation since they are part of the natural universe.
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  Caedes

  My whole point is that, given the current amount of unknowns that we are all looking at, the relative likelihood of a creator vs. a self-making universe cannot be appraised. Also, lose the condescending attitude.

  Apognophos

  Then you have missed the point entirely, the point is that the natural universe is the same for both the theist and the atheist. The only difference is that the theist adds a creator.

  I take it then that you admit your understanding of the word complexity is at odds with how the rest of the English speaking world uses it? If you choose not to admit it then I shall continue to make fun of you.

  Prologos,

  Your post is meaningless derp. There is no pre, no outside, I have no idea why you think black holes are important, and there isn't a place outside of time.

  Hooberus,

  I quite agree there is exactly zero empirical evidence for your god having any parts at all!
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  So we're here because of fluctuations caused by nothing in a field of nothing?

  That is a lot more likely than we're here because an infinitely powerful creator caused fluctuations in a field of nothing.

  Do you know how to use google? I suggest starting here if you want to start doing some research into how wrong you are.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity

  The whole point is that the number of unkowns in the natural universe is the same for the theist and the atheist so Occam's razor can be used to settle the problem.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  New thoughts and new ways of thinking can change the distrabution of the dendrites

  Now you're just being difficult.

  Facts just always get in the way don't they, incidently if you want to go back to your computer analogy, that also gets more complex. The computer equivalent of writing new neural pathways is writing information to the hard-drive. A hard drive full of data is more complex than one without any data.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  The energy/ mass mixture sum of the universe was present in the void BEFORE the big bang

  This is utterly meaningless since nobody has any evidence of what was 'before' the big bang. Even if there was a 'before' the big bang (nobody has any evidence for there even being a before either) there isn't a scientist on the planet who can prove it so please stop spouting this stuff as if you understand it and as if it is a scientific fact, it is at best conjecture and hypothesis.

  There is no 'void' that the universe expands into, I've told you this before. There isn't anything 'outside' the universe, the universe is everything.

  This does NOT imply that more energy is created, as you wrote, it is already there, and becomes evident, seen in action, as the universe expands. The expansion of the universe does not dilute the energy sum of the universe.

  So are you claiming that you have some deep insight as to why we don't need dark energy to make the maths work in our current understanding of the universe? If so I would think that professor Hawking would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  So why does creator+creation have to be more complex than simply creator or creation?

  You claim that a creator created the entire universe which by definition means that the creator must be more complex than its creation. Hence a universe plus creator is more complex. Anything you say to claim that an infinitely powerful creator (who can create a universe) is not complex are merely weasel words.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  When the Rasor has given a clean shave, it has not gotten rid of the hair. There is more under the skin that does not meet the eye.

  The point is that the complexity (or how much science has yet to uncover) of the natural universe is the same for everyone, no matter your beliefs regarding gods. The natural universe that you look at is the same one I look at. You however choose to make it infinitely more complex by adding an infinitely powerful creator being to that picture.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  Theory that the Acceleration of the universal expansion derives it's energy from the void that it expands into; the total energy content of the universe is increasing, feeding the acceleration. article in one of the science journals, nature, Sci AM or new scientist.

  Coded logic,

  Prologos is probably talking about dark energy, as usual Prologos doesn't really understand what s/he is quoting.

  The universe doesn't expand into a void, it's the universe itself that is expanding. One hypothesis (Prologos talks about this as if it is accepted scientific fact) is that dark energy is the thing that keeps the universe expanding, it is supposed to do this by providing a balancing negative force to the energy equations. Without this negative energy the equations don't add up to a stable universe. This is because an expanding universe would mean that energy is constantly being created. Dark energy is a fudge factor for a mechanism we don't yet understand.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  Occam's Razor is not useful in a situation where we lack so little knowledge. Besides that, if a god exists, then the universe's degree of complexity simply is a result of the pre-existing complexity in his mind, and therefore the sum complexity of god+universe is not greater.

  Occam's razor is always useful. If you cannot understand how adding a powerful creator god adds a hugely additional level of complexity to the natural universe then I don't know I can help you. We are not talking about maths we are talking about the concept. Of course any god sufficiently powerful to create universes has to be more complex than it's creation.
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  116

  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Caedes

  However you want to cut it, adding a creator to the picture makes it needlessly more complex.