Posts by Caedes

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

Caedes

But the bigger issue I believe is that it's a properganda (sic) book, designed to make money on an an innocent girl. To do that they created in that diary an innocent first first love Anne & Peter, victims of a black and white world. It's totalproperganda (sic) and the message of hatred to the German nation I believe abhorrent.

I am a little confused about whether you think the big issue is freedom of speech, who authored the book or just espousing the views of Nazi sympathisers?

You are free to shout out how much you agree with Nazi sympathisers, it was written by Anne Frank and edited after her death, so what? Books are edited all the time, especially when you consider it was her diary. I can't see that keeping in the personal aspects of the diary would be of benefit to the reader. Neither of these points change the facts of what happened, she was caught and killed in a concentration camp by Nazis for the 'crime' of being Jewish. That is the biggest issue not your petty arguments over free speech or authorship.

What this means is that every reasonable person reading this thread just thinks you are either a Nazi sympathiser or just a complete and utter idiot, which is it?

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Evidence for a Young Earth

by Perry in

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Caedes

What if the Universe is 28, 336 years young?
What if each "day" of Creation was 3,760 years?

Then your version of young earth creationism would be as wrong as every other version, provably so.

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

Caedes

As far as I can see all of the criticisms leveled at the diaries are from Nazi sympathisers, so it's not as if the ones criticizing it have an agenda at all!

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Evidence for a Young Earth

by Perry in

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Caedes

Perry will never stick around to defend anything he posts on this topic, perhaps because he is a coward and has been proven wrong so many times in the past.

My favourite was when Leolaia schooled him on 'soft tissue' dinosaur fossils.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

LUHE, did they not teach you how to do basic research at your university?

It's just a shame that expectations of our society are placed above the suffering of gay people in far-flung hell-holes by intelligent, Western, 'progressive' people who claim to care.

You are dismissive when you put the word progressive in scare quotes and stating "progressives claim to care" the insinuation being that they don't. The tone of your opinions on this matter clearly show your opinion of progressives and their viewpoint. The fact that you equate disagreeing with you as tolerating throwing people off buildings is ridiculous and quite frankly I doubt you would dare suggest such a thing in person.

At no point have I said that any opinions should not be questioned, I am stating that your argument seems to be that the responsibility for LGBT persecution is the fault of western progressives not being war mongery enough, I say your opinion should be questioned because of it's sheer stupidity.

Since we have had military action for some time now and the rights of the LGBT community has not improved by your reasoning that means that you are tolerating pushing gays off tall buildings?

It is interesting to note that you seem to be conflating a call for for military action against ISIS and condemnation of ISIS. The two are separate things and you can support one and not the other.

Here are some examples of the pressure western governments have bought against a number of countries on the subject of LGBT rights:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25775002

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-anti-gay-laws-us-puts-pressure-president-buhari-allow-same-sex-unions-1511028

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29651227

The American campaign on LGBT rights in Africa has been in the news a lot over the last few years, I am quite surprised that you are not better informed on a subject you claim to care about so deeply.

The fact that these regimes are often propped up by western governments does not have anything to do with the fact that pressure has been put on a large number of countries to improve their LGBT rights.

What evidence do you have that progressives are dictating the issues that the LGBT community care about?

Pushing gays off buildings is way down the list, it seems.

Is that apart from the evidence I showed you earlier showing how high up on the list it is?

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

The fact is that there isn't a scale at which it is appropriate to talk about injustice. LUHE wants to suggest that an LGBT news site should carry opinion pieces about supporting military action because ISIS kill gay people.

The facts as I have demonstrated show that Pink news have covered that story in depth, that they are a news site and don't carry many opinion pieces and that their coverage of the story is consistent with their reporting on other stories.

LUHE hasn't really explained why he feels that other stories shouldn't be covered or why more emotional reporting in this instance would useful or helpful.

I would argue that progressive attitudes regarding the issue of the killing of gays by ISIS is that they find it as disgusting as LUHE does, do not mistake a difference of opinion in how it is addressed as being some sort of tolerance.

But fundamentally where I disagree is that there is any benefit in concentrating on only one issue. There has been a huge shift in the west over it's attitude to the rights of all sorts of minority groups. Fighting against injustice is as important in the west (over what may be trivial issues compared to the dangers elsewhere) as it is anywhere, because those shifts in attitude have been won by people (the progressives that are dismissed by LUHE) fighting over one issue at a time.

Arguing for rights in the west doesn't hinder the fight for justice in the middle east it helps that fight. You can see evidence for that in the political pressure bought by western governments (that only a few short years ago were advocating for discriminatory legislation themselves such as the UK Govt and clause 28) . You don't give up because you don't get everything you ask for, it isn't an all or nothing fight just look at gay marriage for example.

In short LUHE doesn't get to dictate the issues that LGBT people should be interested in, he doesn't get to say what progressive attitudes are to injustice and neither does he get to decide the 'correct' level of shock that a news site should express in its reporting.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

I'm specifically concerned with PNs' reporting of and condemnation of treatment of gay people by ISIS and other extremists. Your search ignores this.

Not really, it tells you the priorities of the editorial team at that site. It tells you which of those stories they perceive as being important.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

is calling these acts brutal slaughters by Isis thugs more to your liking? - that's more like it. PN journalists are getting better.

Getting better? No, you just ignored the actual content of pink news that didn't fit with your preconceived ideas until I pointed it out to you.

That's not what I am talking about. I'd actually like Pink News to support the West's action against homophobic extremists.

If you want to read something supporting more death and destruction there are plenty of sites that cater to that sort of black and white thinking. Can I suggest you might like Katie Hopkins she is pretty light on facts and heavy on opinion.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

Lets have a look at basic search results from Pink News to see if this 'bias' is real

search results for ISIS - 872 results

search results for Trump - 420 results

search results for brexit - 14 results

Hmmm I can see what you mean now, they clearly see some issues as more important than others.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

Caedes

no supporting civilised nations' efforts to contain and destroy the extremists,

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/24/united-nations-to-hold-first-security-meeting-on-lgbt-rights/

You really aren't very good at this whole research thing are you?