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  Received a YouTube Hate Message

  by cappytan in

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  jehovah's witnesses are such loving people with christian personalities, are they not?.

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  (ps, yes, i have a youtube channel.

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  JWdaughter

  "You will feel your loss about what you loose"

  To help with ad hominem. . .I am offended by poor spelling!
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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  JWdaughter

  That avalanche for some is being made redundant after decades of service with wages equal to the GB. Nothing saved. No expensive gifts to pawn or sell. Do you think the GB will be cut off and told to come back and do the same stuff on a commuter basis with no salary? No social security? No home to live in? I don't think so. Tuxedo park Ny is $$$. They aren't commuting.

  When the social experiment gets the avalanche-thats when the class distinctions really show.
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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  JWdaughter

  Equal pay would have significance except for the fact that none of those folks are cold, hungry, unclothed. None of them are actually self supporting. They are supported by all the JWs who DO go to work for different salaries, with different abilities and different contributions. Some JWs are smarter and/or work harder, some are lazy and/or stupid. They contribute according to what they are willing to contribute and what they CAN contribute.

  If you aspire to communism or socialism, that is great. I don't.

  Most R &F bethelite JWs are not being given expensive watches, chauffered rides around town or any kind of authority. They sit, stand, speak when they are TOLD to. They have to leave when they are told with nothing. That is not what the world should aspire to, and if you really think that you want to live like that, then I think you are a very sad person. Unless you think you want to be a GB member. Then you are something else altogether in addition to being a very sad person.

  JW's? Lots of individual JWs have awesomely good points. More good than bad. It doesn't make the religion right. The same could be said for people in any faith or no faith group. A study showed that non-religious children are more altruistic than religious ones. It is true that JWs are specifically trained from birth that being generous to others (esp non JWs) is a particular waste of time and effort. They are birdfood, don'tcha know. That would not be one of the JW good points, btw.

  I'm glad you got out of a harmful way of life. You were ready to do so. Had some other group shown up at that time you might well be a mormon, muslim, baptist or catholic right now. My mom's mom got involved with JWs for free babysitting and my mom and her siblings went to meetings for regular indoctrination because their mom was literally old mother hubbard and meeting nights were her only break. True story. My mom started going to meetings at 2 and her siblings basically as soon as the next one was born until the last was left orphaned and left to be influenced by her eldest JW sister and her JW inclined aunt. My aunt(that youngest baby) has been in the org as if it were a revolving door. This round she is a pioneer. She could be a meth head again the next one. "Knowing Jehovah's ways from birth" have left her a confused mess. Well meaning. Good hearted. Mess. I hope for her sake it holds this time. 4th husband is nice and she drug him into the JWs so now he is a MS. He is like a male her without religion until now. Never been a mean druggie, but they both have a lot of demons to fight. Hoping that age has mellowed them.

  I don't intend to run down all your points, but they are simplistic and unsophisticated. Open your eyes. This isn't a 4th grade social studies report about why your religion is desirable or acceptable, it is real life.
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  Brooklyn Bethel Tours Through The Roof

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was speaking with someone last night who just recently toured the us bethel's.

  the brooklyn tour i heard was awful, very limited and disappointing and conducted by a local pioneer and not even a bethelite.

  well from what they are telling the folks on the tour since the tm3 bit encouraging (guilting) people about going to disneyland on vacation when you haven't visited bethel, monthly tours went from 6000 to 16000!

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  JWdaughter

  Here is some great news! Warwick is in the middle of the most gorgeous part of upstate NY. If you go in late summer or early fall you can catch the best renaissance faire in the country just down the road. I went 30 years ago and it is literally minutes down the road and a lot more fun than bethel. Nicer driving than the City, too. It's muggy upstate, but no concrete to hold in heat and huge buildings to keep air from moving. I love tuxedo park. If I had more money than God I might move there, too.
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  Reason of financial problems WTS

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a non-witness insider told me this week that the wts has financial problems.

  that lead to halting down their building plans and lay off the special pioneers and.

  bethelites.. the reason of the financial stagnation is beside some bad investments,.

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  JWdaughter

  Dumb as rocks is what many of us were. NOT. Being naive is not the same. Choosing to stick ones head in the sand is not necessarily dumb. Look at how many suffer tragically after learning TTATT? If the truth is not the priority, then they can just let things go, keep playing the game and not be tormented about it. People in churches often go with little conviction-just to keep family happy they play the family game. Its not stupid, its strategic. When it matters, get out. If not so much, why destroy your life to prove a point or be right? Some of us HAVE to take the journey OUT, one way or the other. Others can stay in and still be fine.
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  Reason of financial problems WTS

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a non-witness insider told me this week that the wts has financial problems.

  that lead to halting down their building plans and lay off the special pioneers and.

  bethelites.. the reason of the financial stagnation is beside some bad investments,.

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  JWdaughter

  I will state at the outset that I am ignorant of most of the issues involved.

  However, I think that they have the money to complete their two big projects as they are selling off old stuff in more expensive neighborhoods. The rest of it though. . .

  One thing I read somewhere (and that soon disappeared) was in reference to a kind of investing that is basically gambling with a bigger bite than normal investing as if you lost, you could lose more than you actually invest. . . not sure if that is the hedge funds, or what. However, as there are definitely incidents of financial malfeasance both in and out of the organization, I could see that the organization could be very screwed by one person with too much authority who made a bad decision in investments that could seriously screw things up. Which may well have cut into the hundreds of millions in reserve that we have assumed for some time. Wishfully thinking? Maybe! Unheard of? Unfortunately, no.

  I also think that those lawsuits/claims have been nipped in the bud, expensively, before they become lawsuits. JWs now like to brag about how few lawsuits there are now. . . well, usually claims are made before lawsuits are filed. They could be paying hundreds of millions that never got to the point of becoming "lawsuits". We don't know, but while the RC church paid out a LOT in lawsuits, I imagine that there were many there that they never let get to that point because it was a losing battle. They just paid them to shut them up, like they have done with so many claims in the WTBTS already. Not letting them go to trial is one way. Not letting them get to a lawsuit is even better.
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  Jehovah's witnesses are the fastest growing religion.

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  that is what the speaker said in his public talk this morning.

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  JWdaughter

  Mormons are Mormons until excommunicated or they ask to be removed from church rolls or they die. JWs are counted if they are minimally active publishers. That doesn't require baptism even.
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  Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.

  currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.

  any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.

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  JWdaughter

  One interesting thing to note, on the JW.borg home page, there is a link to information about how they are financed. Here is something of interest to local congregations

  "Any donations that are forwarded to the branch offices of Jehovah’s Witnesses are used to relieve victims of natural disasters, to support our missionaries and traveling ministers, to help construct our houses of worship in developing countries, and to print and ship Bibles and other Christian publications."

  I wonder if there is soon to be a clarification on the new arrangement regarding loan forgiveness and the building committee. We know that there was a recent letter about "proportional" contributions relating to new KH construction. How will all this shake out? I am curious.
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  Where's Mouthy?

  by Village Idiot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been a while since she's posted.

  i'm hoping she's ok.. for those who are new here mouthy (grace) is our forum's adopted grandma.

  she has been posting here since the beginning.

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  JWdaughter

  Well, in case she sees this, she knows we all love and miss her. She's earned a break from all this nonsense though, don'tcha think?
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  "The Calendar of Jehovah God" - a historical tidbit

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935, clayton woodworth (editor of the golden age - later the awake!

  magazine) devised a 'new' calendar that he proposed was far superior to the pagan calendars that have been used in human history.he wrote a three part series for the golden age (i am not sure if these were actually published) that laid out his justifications for how this new calendar was more accurate and of course, was right in line with the divine plan.

  the calendar was published in the 1935 yearbook, but the watchtower magazine later published a retraction to the calendar.

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  JWdaughter

  A retraction in WT literature. Was that a one off? How was it phrased?