To six of nine: If my comment about the insanity any parent of 5 (or 1) said something to you, I think you heard it wrong. Parenting is the most gratifying, terrifying, satisfying project,job, dream, goal, aspiration and hope in my life. I am the mother of 3 and would have had more if I had been so blessed. Parenting is hours of routine punctuated by moments of pure joy, terror and anger, frustration, laughter and pain. And if that makes doing whatever you have the urge to do during the hard parts justifiable on the grounds of insanity, then any parent ought to get carte blanche to break any law we please. Anything goes if one has progeny? Hope not! Do you have kids?
JWdaughter
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Yates verdict
by sammielee24 inthe andrea yates verdict came down again and it was not guilty.
she will be sent to a mental facility instead of prison where in time, and after therapy, she may in all liklihood be reintegrated into society at some point.
what do you think of the verdict?
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THE GOLLUM SYNDROME; Do YOU Suffer From it?
by ElderBarry inwhen i left the rub a dub dubs, i was bitter, angry, disillusioned, and fearful of stepping out in faith again.
i didnt want to get burned.
i could have stayed that way.
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JWdaughter
Whatever a person wants to say about God, the fact is that the first half of your post, about letting go of the ring is right on. Holding on to pain, anger and ugly feelings gets us nowhere. But there is a process to being rid of it, purging it, and griping on the boards is a part of the process for some. Some will live on the boards for ages, but most of us will have our moments, our phases, get it out and move on to other things in our lives. I'm back on because of a renewed concern for my mom(who has decided to be an active JW again) and to keep up with the **** they are shoveling her these days. I admit I spent a LOT of time on this type of board several years ago. Hours responding to JWs etc, etc. I'm not red faced mad anymore, and NOT going to give them the victory of continuing to take over my life, time and my thoughts.
Whether it is a religious/spiritual healing or simply a healing is up to individuals. But hopefully, we will all find what we need and help others along the way afterwards.
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my daughter leaves for the ARMY thursday
by purplesofa ini have four sons and my youngest is a daughter.. she leaves for the army on thursday.
i am in a state of panic and emotion to try to convince her to not go.. i just heard on tv that becuase of the rising violence in bahgdad, bush is sending more troops to iraq.
the developments in isreal and lebanon only seem to be escalating.......the un asking britian and us for help but because of prior commitments......(iraq) are unable.
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I'm sorry you are so sad about her joining the service. I used to want my son to join, but I would no longer encourage it enthusiastically. However, I wouldn't discourage him from doing what he felt was the right thing for him to do for himself or his country.
Personal honor and personal goals often require us to do things that make no sense to others(esp. our parents!) Be proud of her, smile through your fear and be glad that you raised a strong, capable young woman. And feel free to pray that she will be booted out of basic if you want to!:)If you want to, please tell her I admire her courage for joining and wish her the best-and I thank her for her service to our country. Shelly(mom to an 18, 14 and 6 year old)
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Yates verdict
by sammielee24 inthe andrea yates verdict came down again and it was not guilty.
she will be sent to a mental facility instead of prison where in time, and after therapy, she may in all liklihood be reintegrated into society at some point.
what do you think of the verdict?
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JWdaughter
I think insanity should not preclude punishment. If you want your epitaph to be "convicted murderer, but insane at the time, so please forgive", fine. But if you go nuts once, and you have long standing medical problems, you likely will commit the same offence again-or similar. Punish killers for their crimes. If they were insane, give them some nice drug so that when the killer cocktail hits, they won't suffer. I don't need vengence-but justice does not allow a killer, likely to re-offend ---OUT. Does not allow a person who could kill-under any circumstances-her own children to ever have the chance to even see another child again. Much LESS have one. I don't think she was insane any more than anyone with 5 kids is. That anyone with kids at all is. Post partum depression should be treated, and we can blame the husband all day if you want for his part-but SHE killed her CHILDREN. I had PPD with my 2nd, and I can sympathize with the weird things that go through ones brain, but PPD and insanity are not the same. Personal responsibility and rational thought don't disappear. She was overwhelmed, and wanted out of it, figured she was a prisoner anyway and took her chances. I see that she bet right. Kind of sad that our legal system is so predictable that a woman could do that knowing (and we all KNOW she knew) she could likely get away with it. AAAARRRRGGGHHH.
Looking at my little boy, who is six and has grown about 3 inches in the last six weeks, my beautiful talented 14 year old and my handsome, future american idol 18 year old I admit to being absolutely overwhelmed, scared, sad, and frustrated at times. But if the switch that makes the rest of us ask for help or simply step outside for some fresh air(even if that step outside lasts a few HOURS) is missing, you can't get it back . A person who has so little conscience about *that* will never be a person that should be in any society. And why punish with eternal shunning by society? Put her out of her obvious misery-If she isn't miserable for the rest of her life she doesn't DESERVE to live and if she is miserable, I don't know how she could even WANT to live. She is known to have done this horrible thing to her beautiful little ones. I am not proposing a Witch dunk solution-but hell, what is the purpose of her being alive on this earth?
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Last Assembly ever!
by montana96 inmy parents are headed to the sydney convention this weekend.
she has told my sister this is the last assembly they will be having in this system.
the end is coming!.
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Sorry I don't have the sources, but I have seen elsewhere that other branches of the org under different legal names still have NGO status with the UN. I remember specifically one that is from Great Britain-somewhere.
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Ever work for Witnesses?
by free2beme ini worked for a witness owned business for 10 years.
three as a witness and seven as a former witness.
it was a formal wear (tuxedo) store.
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My dad did. He did several weeks work for a Ministerial Servant(construction), was never paid and then the guy took his family on a trip to HI. The thing was, he was so 'nice' to give my non witness dad work when he had been out of work so long(const. in the late 70s was dead and it was really hard times). He got all kinds of Kudos for being a loving brother, and my mom never said anything to anyone when he didn't pay my dad! His name was Brown. Jerk. My parents had to go to the food bank and he went to Hawaii. How Christian is that?
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What rebellious actions did you or other do in your congregation?
by JH inwhat rebellious actions did you or other do in your congregation, not enough to be disfellowshipped, but went a little too far.
sometimes we have to unwind .
i remember sitting in a brothers car.
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We had a regular usually weekly WT study on Sat. night with all the youth that wanted to come-switched houses, often had these at the elders and MS homes and always had at least one of them at the gathering-but we had fun anyway(we had a couple of great ones then.) We usually had the standard WT study(or most of it) and then played some innocent party games, had refreshments and went home before too late. These were enjoyable gatherings until the 1975 apologetic study in the early 80s. It was rather a lively discussion, and because of our ages, we all had fairly vivid memories of the years leading up to 1975, our parents and our own expectations, some of the creative date counting that was done and the (still avid) expectations in the months/years right after(hmmm, how long between Adams creation and Eves????) Well, the discussion pretty much showed that they had some kids in the group that were not idiots. Just a few weeks later, we were told we could no longer have the gatherings as they were "disruptive" and brought about "rebellion". That was us, those rebellious JW kids studying the WT, discussing it and going out of the paragraph. And soon after, this youth was no longer an unbaptised publisher.
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Not quite sure where else to go, I'll give this place a try.
by AnonyMouse ini'll introduce myself:
i'm a person who'd like to remain anonymous.
i'm 16, and recently confessed to my mother my disbelief in her religion (jehovah's witnesses, obviously so).
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JWdaughter
I left when I was 15, and fortunately my dad was around and not a JW and I wasn't baptised. My mom and I have had some rough times, but we got through it!
For 2 more years they can control to some extent what you do, but your thoughts, feelings, convictions and beliefs are your own. YOU control them. And yes, go to the meetings if your mom insists. Be respectful to the JWs. Don't go out in service, and if mom/uncle insist, be direct with the elders, explain to them that you will be respectful and attend meetings, but at this time it would be wrong of you to do field service. If that changes at some future time, you will let them know. It is one thing to force you to meetings, but propagating what you DON'T believe will not help anyone-except the guy who gets credit for service hours.
I feel so bad for you, and I wish I had something truly useful to tell you-16 is temporary! Life is LONG, so learn all you can, work hard for your future and do your best to be an obedient and loving daughter to your mom at this time. The worse things are for her the MORE she will cling to the org. And as a mom of teenagers, let me tell you-discord in your home will cause her more unhappiness and stress than being out of work, because she loves you more than life-even though she is a JW and it might not feel that way some days.
Your thoughts and your heart are your own, and life is all before you. You are lucky and young and healthy and have an entire universe at your disposal. Eat it up and enjoy the feast.
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my bethel servise left me seriously depressed!!!!
by xcaliber ini auxilary pioneered for a year, then i regular pioneered for 2 years while serving as a ministerial servant.
then i served at bethel for 3 years.
while at bethel i worked harder then i have my hole life.
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Sheez, I feel so punk'd!
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my bethel servise left me seriously depressed!!!!
by xcaliber ini auxilary pioneered for a year, then i regular pioneered for 2 years while serving as a ministerial servant.
then i served at bethel for 3 years.
while at bethel i worked harder then i have my hole life.
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Please dont even think about marriage till you have your depression and job situation under control. Also any girl who wants to rush into marriage with a depressed unemployed guy needs to re-think it. One cannot 'live on love'.
If you do take some action toward the issues you saw at Bethel (TV, lawsuit, book-whatever) and she is a witness, you should consider long and hard with your potential spouse if she is willing to deal with that fallout-and there WILL be fallout. Step back from the entire WT situation for awhile, get your earthly life in order and when you start moving forward, consider the JW issues. Dont EVER let them take your power, initiative and strength away from you-don't GIVE it away.
Where I live, one can get training to be a nurses aid and be paid while training(usually at nursing homes-rather hard, thankless work).It is a way to get started, and it sounds like you can put up with hard work, thankless labor and long hours-after Bethel, you can do anything-and DON'T FORGET IT!!!
Take care, best wishes, be Happy-thats the best revenge:)