I am rather fond of our brothers and sisters across the pond. I don't think the Brits are esp. uptight-but I know that I am. . .in spite of being only two generations away from being Canadian:)
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Aussies/Canadians of JWD most laid back~
by FlyingHighNow ini was thinking today, i've been here at jwd for nearly three years now.
i've observed that our aussie members are the most laid back members on the board here.they don't take their country, their politics or anything too seriously really.
people who are from europe tend to be more laid back than the brits and americans.
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What do the endless debates with ThirdWitness etc prove?
by jwfacts inthere are currently long debates going on with 3w about the subtle meaning of words and how they are supposed to prove the wts has the correct doctrine.
even as a jw i always noticed that it was impossible to prove a doctrine to people in the field.
the fact that 2 christians can discuss topics endlessly without any conclusion shows me that god can not possibly be going to destroy every non jw simply because they could not be convinced of watchtower doctrine.. the bible says very little about doctrine, besides pauls discussions to show jesus is our ransomer and means for everlasting heavenly life.
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JWdaughter
Wow, you said so succinctly what I could spend a book trying to say!:
>>>There are currently long debates going on with 3W about the subtle meaning of words and how they are supposed to prove the WTS has the correct doctrine. Even as a JW I always noticed that it was impossible to prove a doctrine to people in the field. The fact that 2 Christians can discuss topics endlessly without any conclusion shows me that God can not possibly be going to destroy every non JW simply because they could not be convinced of Watchtower doctrine. The bible says very little about doctrine, besides Pauls discussions to show Jesus is our Ransomer and means for everlasting heavenly life. Jehovah's Witnesses preoccupation with Watchtower centric doctrine seems to distract them from the biblical message the a person is to keep their minds on Jesus as the means for salvation. The concept that we are in the Last Days and in Jesus presence since 1914 is spiritually damaging. A Christian serves God out of love for God, a JW serves with the view that they will get a reward within the next few years. This only leads to dissappointment and hence the large number of burnt out JWs.
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How Do You Respond To: "Where Else Will We Go"?
by minimus inwhen scared jws even think about leaving the organization, they often wonder where they'll go to instead.......any responses?
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JWdaughter
My irreverent side says, "Starbucks!"
My more reverent side says (because I am a Christian) Jesus, who else?
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End of August, no more bethel elders
by thecarpenter init was posted here a few months ago that bethel was getting rid of the bethel elder arrangement.
i was wondering if this happened already?
or is it tomorrow?
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JWdaughter
They have EATING RULES?????? OMG, tell me you are kidding.
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What if? Works and no faith?
by JWdaughter ini was wondering, as i see all you under-the-radar-apostates-at-heart who still go along as jw's what the wt and elders would say about a person who didn't say anything about the org, went along with it, was a publisher, did the studies, went to the meetings, and did all they are 'supposed to do', but didn't buy a word of it?
for the same reason that many of you do, without speaking out about it, just keeping all the doubts, anger etc inside.
would you be saved at armageddon in their view?
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JWdaughter
I was just wondering if belief really matters to anyone, so long as they do and say the right things-party line. In the LDS church, they regularly have 'testimony' meetings where they state their faith. It is also something that missionaries do and it happens in other less formal ways. JWs are more into "The org. explains it like this; As Jehovah's Witnesses we believe this, or don't do that. The Bible says (in this 1/2 sentence, totally out of context-unsaid) this or that. Are they ever really required to say "I believe"?
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A letter to my family
by monkeyshine inplease see the following thread with the updated letter (personal details removed).
letter to my family.
retyped
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JWdaughter
It is a beautiful letter and if not immediately acted upon will definitely give some family members some food for thought.
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Prepardness and the "Society"...
by Justice-One inyou know the "society" actually has something with this prepardness thing.
they just don't have a clue on what to tell people to do or buy.
i do not want to come off like a know it all, (i'm far from that....i'm still learning) but would anyone be interested in a thread that does not mention firearms (imho they are important, but to much of a hot-button topic) on prepardness?
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JWdaughter
This is an interesting thread. My previous experience with the LDS church taught me to have a supply of food in and when my husband had a very long bout of unemployment, my full pantry and freezer came in handy, as did the fact that I knew how to cook basic food(not just heating up prepared foods and mixes) There are different levels of disaster, and some are just a paycheck or a bad storm away from you. We would not have died, but our being prepared allowed us to not be dependant on anyone else for food stamps, etc. We have lived in areas that experienced flooding or heavy winters, and if you can't get to the store for 5 days(has happened) when you are used to being able to pick things up whenever, it could be a problem if not prepared.
BTW, liquid milk freezes fine(open and pour a little off the top for expansion as it freezes), and while that is still counting on an electric grid, it has come in handy when there is a good sale:)
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If I went back would I get DF'd because I married an non-JW?
by HalfWayThere ini'm getting married in a couple of weeks and my mother is under alot of pressure not to go because i've been living with my fiance.
my 3 jw sisters are not attending the wedding and i feel that my mum will be under continued pressure not to have contact with me after the wedding.
so i'm thinking of a plan... what if i went back to the meetings just so that my mum can feel 'ok' about having contact with me and so she can tell my sisters to back off.
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JWdaughter
Hi, I think JGNAT had good advice(she has picked up a LOT as a non-JW, I am impressed).
I think going to some meetings with your mom before the wedding and softening her up could be a good thing. If you are in a different cong. all the better for you-even if you just show up now and again after the wedding(and face the consequences, if they care to inflict them upon you), no one can give your mom grief and she won't feel bad communicating with you when the grandchildren come around, and your sisters won't be nasty to your wife(to- be) since they will want to finagle her into the organization. It would be a nice gift to give to your mom who seems so firmly entrenched. She needs a good son to be able to lean on unconditionally, and we know that everyone else she is involved with is pretty much 'conditional'. Just let her know that there are no circumstances which would ever cause you to reject or ignore her(if this is after a sis's emotional/religious blackmail, so much the better).
Good LUCK, God bless, and hug your mama! Shelly
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Leaving them behind
by LtCmd.Lore inok i'll attempt to make this a board that will help me but will also be interesting for others to read and post about... here goes:.
as you may know i'm 17 and in a little under one year i intend to da myself.
there are these two kids my age, one boy 3 months older than me (the only male my age that i know) and his sister 1.7 years younger than me (the only cute girl i know.
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JWdaughter
I left when I was a little younger than you. I wonder what happened to all my old friends.
Sound them out a bit without revealing yourself too much. If in a conversation you sense that anything you say will not be heard, take heed. But write them a letter, full explanation, and let them know the real reason rather than the canned talk that will be given sanctimoniously after you leave. They may or may not read it, and you might want to time it so that they will be more likely to read it(right before an announcement perhaps?).
Keep in touch with them, even if it means just keeping tabs on what happens, where they go, so that maybe at a later time (or times) you can update them on you(let them know you didn't grow horns, etc) and let them know that you care what happens to them and are always willing to be their friend if they need you. Right now they micht be too young to appreciate that support, but if they are older and more entrenched in the org. and want to leave, it might be an important thing for them to know-that you will be there for them.
The only old JW friends I have seen was a married couple that have known me since I was an infant and a couple of girls(one I was very close to). I wish I could know more of what happened to my old friends. The only two I know married JWs that abused them and were horrible. I hope some of the others have some happier stories, but in spite of what the WT teaches, they are as messed up or more so as any other group and are NOT the happiest people on earth.
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Was Lot A Righteous Man?
by jayhawk1 ini just have to ask this question.
was lot a righteous man?.
2 peter 2:7,8 says "and he delivered righteous lot, who was greatly distressed by the indulgence of the law-defying people in loose conduct- 8 for that righteous man by what he saw and heard while dwelling among them from day to day was tormenting his righeteous sould by reason of their lawless deeds.".
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Correction, I am not sure if it was Peaceful Pete or Narcisus or both)
That was a very interesting thread. I remember when they were going over the reading(at the ministry school) and comments on this passage. Yeah, it was messed up, and I could never quite see how Lot came out of it all as some hero, though Narcissus(sp) made some interesting observations. It would be interesting to talk to a rabbi type about this, because Jewish people look on the OT very differently than we at times.