The guy who abused Conti should not have even been in the cong. anymore. He should not have been in field service with anyone, much less a vulnerable child in a difficult home situation.
JWdaughter
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How known child abusers are dealt with in other organizations.
by JWdaughter ini was recently reading of the dunblane school massacres (scotland) and the perpetrator was one who was 'suspected' of child abuse.
he was reported to police and after the revelations that the scout organization knew of him, he was "blacklisted".
later, in another area, he tried to become a leader again-and his blacklisting held and he was not allowed.. anyway, the guy was a creep and eventually a murderer.
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How known child abusers are dealt with in other organizations.
by JWdaughter ini was recently reading of the dunblane school massacres (scotland) and the perpetrator was one who was 'suspected' of child abuse.
he was reported to police and after the revelations that the scout organization knew of him, he was "blacklisted".
later, in another area, he tried to become a leader again-and his blacklisting held and he was not allowed.. anyway, the guy was a creep and eventually a murderer.
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JWdaughter
I actually can see why if a person is not CONVICTED that they would not want to spread anything that could be construed as gossip around. It is interesting though that the WT gossip system knows of all kinds of 'moral' failings (may or may not lead to DFing) but they think it real important to keep the child abusers privacy rights intact.
This was about banning people from an organization that have not been 'convicted' of anything. They KNOW they have these child abusers and have deigned to be judge and jury for all these years leaving the masses of JWs vulnerable. NOTHING has ever stopped them from saying "you are no longer welcome to step foot in a kingdom hall. You will never have any privilege, including being a publisher or in TMS. They allow anyone in there except for folks who are 'apostate' and willing to talk about it or who have exhibited some violent tendency in front of the congregation. Child abusers fit right in, they play the game, they don't threaten the organization's peace of mind.
They should have a no tolerance stance just as that boy scout group did. There is no obligation for them to forgive or accept repentence on the behalf of God or the children.
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How known child abusers are dealt with in other organizations.
by JWdaughter ini was recently reading of the dunblane school massacres (scotland) and the perpetrator was one who was 'suspected' of child abuse.
he was reported to police and after the revelations that the scout organization knew of him, he was "blacklisted".
later, in another area, he tried to become a leader again-and his blacklisting held and he was not allowed.. anyway, the guy was a creep and eventually a murderer.
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JWdaughter
I was recently reading of the Dunblane School Massacres (Scotland) and the perpetrator was one who was 'suspected' of child abuse. He was reported to police and after the revelations that the scout organization knew of him, he was "blacklisted". Later, in another area, he tried to become a leader again-and his blacklisting held and he was not allowed.
Anyway, the guy was a creep and eventually a murderer. My point is that no one has to accept that people can be part of an organization when they are known or even suspected abusers. JWs are not big on unconditional love and forgiveness for anyone... except apparently, those who molest children/women.
If the Scouts can have a "blacklist" than what is to stop the WT from having the same kind of thing. This guy was NEVER convicted of anything until he went and murdered a bunch of people. That certainly did not mean he was not GUILTY of all kinds of things or known to be a creep. Less than one year after becoming involved with the Scouts, he was blacklisted. No conviction-and he was not allowed to participate anymore.
I dont see the moral or religious ethic that requires known child abusers to be allowed to associate freely in a religious organization. If a nonprofit can blacklist, a church should be able to. This guy was reported to police at a time that they really don't seem to have done ANYTHING about it, yet the organization that served children did what they could to ensure the safety of the kids not only in that area, but within the entire organization of the Scouts-and their actions protected children later when he tried again to participate.
Just a thought.
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life after the wtbts
by Hortensia inyou can't move forward to a new, more interesting, possibly much happier life, if you're still looking behind at the former life.. there is so much obsession on here about what the wtbts is doing, and discussing all the forms of injustice and bullshit in the wtbts, or how to bring down the wtbts.
yes, their doctrines are crazy and they are a cult and cruel to boot.
move on.
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JWdaughter
33 Years for ME too!
I'm still here just out of morbid curiosity, I think. What crazy thing have they thought up now? What nutty things are they doing/saying?
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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.
by Witness 007 inlindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..
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JWdaughter
I think so. He didn't want to just die, he wanted someone to remember him. He wanted others to be as miserable and messed up as he is. I really think he was a self centered jerk who played at the terrorism angle for attention. He was no devout Muslim, he seemed to crave attention and he liked to play games with people's heads. (all that fortune teller, astrology, spiritism nonsense in order to manipulate women into having sex is against Islam in uncountable ways. That abuse of the military families. . .he was always trying to be the center of the room-and no one really noticed him at all. They took like 20 years before anyone accused him of the abuse. He was a total nonentity, no matter how much he tried to get attention.
I read of the lengths he went to to give himself an alibi while his girlfriend or whoever was killing his ex wife. Its like he put a sign up that said "look at me!!!" and they let him out on bail as if he was of no account.
He was more an attention whore than a terrorist, but he was a murderous abusive one that got away with it too many times. And now he has what he wants because we are talking about him, speculating about him and his dreams came true.
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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.
by Witness 007 inlindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..
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JWdaughter
I know people who lived in Iraq before Saddam was taken down. It wasn't a paradise. For most people though, it was home and they had normal lives, business, infrastructure. It now truly is a hell. All the events are connected, of course(Saddam started it), but when your abuse never came from your peoplel but came from the people who were 'saving' you from them, I imagine it colors your world a little differently. I have a friend whose family is in ISIS territory and life jst went from the bad of the war and occupation and the total corruption of Iraqi politics to a new level of horror with ISIS-who is saving them from the western forces. I think Iraq has had enough saving, and I imagine that Afghani's are pretty much done with the interferance too (which began long before our interventions in Iraq).
I absolutely do not justify anything that man did. Crazy and insane situations are going to create some extra crazy people.. He was clearly insane. He gave himself an excuse, but I don't hear anyone defending anything he did. It is indefensible. He has been harming people at least since he got to Australia. There may be a reason he was a refugee from Iraq that speaks to criminal behavior predating his being a refugee. I think they will find more about his background in Iraq.
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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.
by Witness 007 inlindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..
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JWdaughter
I think he was ostensibly Muslim, but he was a Muslim who would have been executed in Iran or KSA for blasphemy and witchcraft because of his own claims-over a decade ago. Those practices are considered apostate to hardliners and are capital offenses. The first thing we know about him other than him being a refugee is that he was doing astrology, claiming mystical powers, witchcraft, etc. He called himself 'shaikh' something. That doesn't make him a cleric. I have not seen any reports that he had any kind of mosque or following, but only that he ran a spiritistic practice, is thought to have arranged to have his wife killed, abused military families, is under indictment for sexuallly abusing a bunch of women (while playing at the mystic bit). He was a fraud and a con man, jerk and a criminal who knew the whole world was coming down on him.He was desperate and wanted someone to take note of him and he knew that his life was effectively over with all the charges coming down on him. He was nobodies hero and was looking at a lifetime in prison.
ISIS may claim him, they may not, but I think that he only used the Islam bit for some more attention at his last hurrah. Otherwise he will just be a forgotten loser.
Do I think he was livid about the military in Afghanistan? Yep, and it likely informed his decision to play the jihadist game. He was a refugee and he knows what kind of hell the people are being put through because of military intervention by the west. And I am sure that in his head it is ALL the responsibility of the west. And now, after 20 hours of this standoff, and dying in it, he got what he wanted-finally. Attention.
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Nephew going to bethel - seeking seed planting ideas
by azor ini have posted a handful of times so far.
i am seeking some ideas to plant some seeds with my nephew before he goes to patterson.. a little about me and the going away party where i will have an opportunity to plant these seeds.
i have a little freedom since i am the only relative that he is in communication with that spent some time at bethel.
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JWdaughter
Don't spook him! Let that common ground be something he can feel good about and make yourself very approachable to him so that he can call or write you and tell you things. He isn't going to know that much of things when he first gets there, but he will have some stories-and so do you. Think of it as he is a hill on the coast of CA. They naturally wear away gradually, but when do folks notice? Then you get a big storm and sheets of coastline fall away into the Pacific.
He is going to see some 'rain'. You can drop a little of your own. Eventually there will be a ****storm at Bethel for some reason or another and it might get him out. Ask about a bunch of names that are no longer there (if you know they were kicked tothe curb after decades, all the better). Ask if some obnoxious meal custom still goes on (any funny stories?). Remember some of the things that affected/disturbed you at that age and ask if they are still like that. Ask him how he feels about the drinking or whatever goes on that is dodgy for a bunch of monks and nuns to be engaging in. Get a feeling for how he feels about the place. Don't scare him from knowing he can talk freely to you. You can be positive about things (nice getting your laundry done, eh? You think those college boys have houskeeping, laundry and meal prep for them????)
Poor kid:(
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After Six Months of Hiatus, I can tell you the Watchtower is Starting to Crumble Faster than you think!
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
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JWdaughter
The problem for JWs now is that with their very low retention of born-ins (who as children of entrenched JW families) the people most likely to have been abused are also the ones most likely to have left, few of them were not impacted by their deaparture from the org. For whatever reason that they ultimately left, too bad for the org., the family damage and the social isolation creates people who have some degree of well placed anger with the society. And a lot of them will focus that like a laser when they realize that they are no less significant a person than one who was abused with the implied consent of the RC church diocese ($660 million judgement for 15 or so victims).
Honestly, I think that $660 MILLION could likely impact the WT operations. That was one diocese, not the entire RC church.
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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?
by Zoos inwe all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?
i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.
i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .
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JWdaughter
I see where Scooby was coming from. Russell WAS speculating, but out of a sincerity, perhaps. Rutherford was just about running the show and manipulating everyone to get what he wanted, from what I have observed of his writings, his actions and reports of his character.
So, it is worse than speculation-even of making dubious(delusional?) claims to be being led by God. Rutherford was not just speculating and his sins in the org were not based in delusion or even really bad math! He was just playing people. Speculation wrongs are the least of his wrongs against JWs (bible students!).