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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  kid-A

  "I hate to burst your bubble, but if it wasn't for muslim scholars studing their religion we wouldn't have science they came up with the idea of peer review which is what science is."

  This is completely wrong. Islamic civillization had nothing to do with the modern practice of peer review:

  see http://www.designinference.com/documents/05.02.resp_to_wein.htm

  "One final word about peer-review. As Frank Tipler pointed out to me, the idea of peer-review as the touchstone for truth and scientific merit is actually a post Second World War invention. In physics, peer-reviewed journals were not the norm until after 1950. In Germany, during the "Beautiful Years" -- the period when quantum mechanics was being invented in the 1920s -- one of the leading German physics journals, Zeitschrift fur Physik, was not peer-reviewed: any member of the German Physical Society could publish there by simply submitting the paper. So, if you had a really wild idea, all you had to do to get it published was ask a member of the GPS to submit it for you. (If you were a member, you could of course submit for yourself.) Heisenberg published his paper on the Uncertainty Principle in this journal, and Friedmann published his paper on the Friedmann universe (now the standard cosmological model) in this journal. No peer-review. Lots of brilliant physics."

  Furthermore, it is common misconception that Islamic scholars protected the ancient Greek scientific texts during the dark ages. While they did preserve some of these texts, many more were carefully saved by Irish monks, including many of the ancient Greek and Roman scientific treatises. In general, Islamic contributions to modern scientific thought are HIGHLY overrated.
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  Christians are hypocrites

  by Handsome Dan in

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  christians are hypocrites.

  christians, they love to talk about how loving, dutiful and compassionate they are, yet i have yet to meet one who does not practice hypocrisy to the highest degree.

  their willful ignorance of the bible combined with their two faced idealism to preach it, has made us sick, hasnt it?

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  kid-A

  As others have said, we are ALL hypocrites. The only difference is the frame of reference for our hypocrisy.

  As an atheist, I feel like a hypocrite every time I fail to live up to my own, self-generated ideals or those of my role models. Why? Because we inevitably feel miserable when our actions fail to meet the test of our self-imposed ideals, whether they be purely secular, or directed towards some supernatural ideal for the believer.

  Having said that, no human being can even remotely adhere to the "ideals" proscribed in the Judaeo-Christian bible, which is in reality a bizarre melding of the "moral code" for ancient israel combined with the gospels and philosophy of Christ..... but this is somewhat immaterial given the fact that all christians essentially must accept their "sinful" nature and atone accordingly. Ergo, "hypocrisy" is simply a catch-all phrase for "sin" in the christian context, which simply requires repentance and atonement and all is forgiven.
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  Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

  by Perry in

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  does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

  since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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  "I have to wonder if that is true. The fact that you say "NO I'M NOT!" tells me you don't understand or you think you are sinless in the eyes of God."

  Why is it that the x-tian fundies on the board can never resist the temptation to fulfill their own stereotypes? Your comment above perfectly exemplifies the self-righteous arrogance that invariably develops when one purports to have some monopoly on "moral truth" that is "divinely sanctioned".....

  It never ceases to amaze me how the "believers" just dont get it. Your latter question regarding "being sinless in the eyes of god" ??? First, I doubt you could even define a satisfactory definition of "sin" independently of your ancient holy book. Second, you may as well phrase it as "sinless in the eyes of the Tooth Fairy" or "Santa Clause" or "Peter the Rabbit" because to an atheist, your nebulous "god", be it named or not, is on the same cultural plane as these other literary creations.....

  The judgemental mind-sets of Perry et al is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the standard Jehovahs Witness. All you have done is re-named your belief system while the same self-righteous, anti-intellectual, anti-science foundations remain at the rotten core of your fundamentalism.
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  One Minute After You Die?

  by Outaservice in

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  we have various types of people on this board, some believers in god, others atheists, some agnostics, and others still jw's at heart.. in your opinion, what do you believe happens to a person one minute after they die?

  how about if they are good or bad?.

  outaservice ( inquiring minds want to know) .

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  kid-A

  Probably some very interesting hallucinations as your cortex begins to shut down.

  Many near death experiencers report seeing a bright light at the end of what appears to be "tunnel". Visual neuroscientists ascribe this phenomena to the receptive surround fields within the visual maps of the visual cortex slowing shutting down due to oxygen deprivation, with only the "centre" of the field remaining as what would appear to be a "bright" light against a darkening background, creating the illusion of a dark tunnel.

  It would really depend on the depth and speed of the oxygen deprivation to the cortex that would account for these final neuronally generated experiences.
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  Im off to buy a video camcorder w/ night vision!!!!

  by ButtLight in

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  for those of you who think im nuts already (which i am), i am going to by a cam with night vision and infrared recording.

  the reason why, is im going to set it up in my sons room tonight and see if i can catch any paranormal activity on it.

  i know what i saw, and i know my son see's stuff alot........so, im either going to prove to myself im wrong, or prove you sceptics wrong about the paranormal.

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  "I know what I saw, and I know my son see's stuff alot........so, Im either going to prove to myself im wrong, or prove you sceptics wrong about the paranormal. That is, if I can catch anything on tape."

  So if you "know" what you saw and believe its due to paranormal activity, why do you have to "prove" it to anyone? We all know that even if you dont catch anything on tape, you will still believe in the supernatural, so honestly, why waste your money?

  And for the record, I dont believe any of the phenomena you have described is related to supernatural causes, however, I dont think you're nuts. In your mind you did experience these things, however, that does not mean a) the events actually took place outside your own perception or b) even if they did take place they were due to "supernatural" phenomena.
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  2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

  by Inquisitor in

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  i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

  i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

  if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

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  kid-A

  Not sure how they can pull this off since they still need material for 53 Watchtower studies on sundays. If the only CrapTowers with studies are now monthly,

  and from what I recall their are a maximum of 3 "study" articles per magazine, they come up short. Theres no way they will cut an hour from Sundays.

  They will have to add a lot of pages to the monthly issue containing the "study" articles, which, in the long run will probably cost them more money.....
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

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  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

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  "For whatever it is worth I vote for #2 and feel that Jah has used and will use the WTBTS, but he must remove apostate leadership before that channel dispenses what is true and aligned with Jehovah’s thinking."

  So is "Jah" some kind of idiot then, or a just a total liar and deceiver? I wonder why you would choose to worship a deity that lacks the brains to select an appropriate organization and/or leaders to disseminate his message to mankind? Does it make logical sense to you that the "supreme being" of the universe would select (at ANY time) complete nut-jobs like CT Russell or "Judge" Rutherford to bear his message to mankind?

  Wow......Jehoobie REALLY needs to find a new P.R. firm......
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  Geico Insurance?

  by skeeter1 in

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  i got a automobile insurance quote from geico (you know, the lizard advertisement).

  it's about $400 less a year than my current insurance.

  i thought my current insurance was a great deal.

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  kid-A

  I had Geico when I lived in PA. I always found them excellent and very competitive rates.
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  The Heavenly Toilet

  by drew sagan in

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  i think i have come across the most sarcastic and moronic article i have ever read in the watcttower magazine.

  just check this out: .

  *** w63 4/15 p. 238 identifying the resurrected ***.

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  kid-A

  I always suspected that "asteroids" were, in fact, angel poop.
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  Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!

  by Seeker4 in

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  perry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.

  axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!

  i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.

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  kid-A

  "You can lead a Creationist to factual information, but you can't make them think."

  That pretty much sums it all up. The sad reality is creationists are not interested in facts and will conveniently IGNORE hard, cold anthropological and/or molecular genetic evidence when it clashes with their preconceived notions of their little universe run by their wizard of oz in the sky.....pitiful.

  While Scientists need to be continually vigilant, especially my colleagues in the States against Chrisitan Fundamentalist activists who are trying to get their silly fairy tales taught in SCIENCE class rooms, take comfort in the fact that the creationists HAVE LOST the battle, a long, long time ago. Private and Federal funding for evolutionary biology research programs is ever increasing in both the USA and Canada, so the pitiful moans of the creationists are being completely and utterly ignored. Science will progress, evidence will be uncovered, hypotheses will be tested, and the presence of these creationist ankle-biters is completely irrelevant. They are IGNORED by ALL scientific research funding agencies.

  Scientific researchers simply ignore their silly rants, and we continue our research programs. My laboratory has over 1/4 million dollars per year for our research program, part of which involves experiments in evolutionary neurobiology, an exciting new series of experiments we have planned.

  So a message from the scientific community to the Perrys, Apostate Kates, Axals and RAFs of the world: rant and moan ALL YOU WANT....because NOBODY cares! LOL...