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  Change in meeting attendance procedure - can't figure out why though

  by sir82 in

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  per a recent letter to elders:.

  beginning september 1, there will be a change to the way attendance is recorded at congregation meetings.. currently, attendance is counted at 4 of the 5 meeting (public talk, wt study, congregation "bible" study, and service meeting).. but after sept. 1, meeting attendance will only be taken at 2 of the meetings - during the "first quarter" of the wt study, and also at the cbs.. .

  no reason in given for the change in the letter, and i can't figure out why myself.. the numbers are not published anywhere - the only "official" record is a 6 month average the co puts together during his visit.. why request less information from the congregations, especially when it "costs" nothing to accumulate it in the first place?

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  5thGeneration

  I see what you're saying.

  Why not just count both anyway. The inflated PT and the WT after the mass exodus.

  Yeah, it doesn't make much sense does it?

  Maybe they are running out of brothers who qualify to do the count!
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  Elders Who Saw Me Say I've Changed & I'm No Longer "Arrogant"

  by minimus in

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  i met an elder a few months ago at a local convenience store and the word is out that i am no longer "arrogant" .

  good to know, huh?.

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  What do they know that we don't know Minimus?
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  Exercising some doubt, or suspending belief, can be a real protection

  by booby in

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  of course, not all doubt is bad.

  at times, you need to suspend acceptance of something till you are sure of the facts.

  religious exhortations to the effect that you should just believe and should doubt nothing are dangerous and deceptive.

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  Watchtower, August 1, 2001 p. 14

  "First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.—Matthew 24:45."

  5th
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  Change in meeting attendance procedure - can't figure out why though

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  per a recent letter to elders:.

  beginning september 1, there will be a change to the way attendance is recorded at congregation meetings.. currently, attendance is counted at 4 of the 5 meeting (public talk, wt study, congregation "bible" study, and service meeting).. but after sept. 1, meeting attendance will only be taken at 2 of the meetings - during the "first quarter" of the wt study, and also at the cbs.. .

  no reason in given for the change in the letter, and i can't figure out why myself.. the numbers are not published anywhere - the only "official" record is a 6 month average the co puts together during his visit.. why request less information from the congregations, especially when it "costs" nothing to accumulate it in the first place?

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  5thGeneration

  Simple. They no longer want the inflated number from inactives and interested ones that go to the PT.

  They want pure publisher attendance numbers.

  A 'true' barometer of the spirituality of the regulars.
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  Why do JW's pussyfoot around saying what Armegeddon really is?

  by Sour Grapes in

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  jw's make armegeddon sound so sterile with statements like:.

  "when god brings an end to this old system.

  " "when jehovah.

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  5thGeneration

  OK my apologist is coming out. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

  They have been criticized for years and years for scaring people with their gross images of Armageddon's destruction.

  They are now obviously trying to tone it down a bit but are criticized for that anyway.

  Hey, it's what they believe, how else are they supposed to present it?

  5th (50% apostate, 50% apologist)
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  Generation teaching - conversation I just had with my dad.

  by cult classic in

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  so, went to the dc 2 days this weekend.

  still have lots of family in and had to put in a cameo for family who had parts on the program and drama.

  i left after the drama today and just spoke with my dad who is inactive and supposedly enlightened about all things jw.

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  They will never wake up even to just say 'that sounds a bit strange'.

  If you are interested, I started a thread last month about the Freddie connection.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/195090/1/New-Generation-understanding-tied-to-Freddie-Franz
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  Kid giving TMS talk on YouTube. If looks could kill. LOL.

  by Open mind in

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  hi guys,.

  just stumbled upon this kid's talk about idolatry on youtube.

  just listen to the first 26 seconds.

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  5thGeneration

  Man, that brings back horrible memories!

  I was still even that stiff and nervous giving public talks!

  Even though given that 'privilege', the elders still ripped into me for not being 'natural' enough.

  YUCK!
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  Not Getting Over It! Ex-JWs Face Residual Psychological, Physical Damage

  by TMS in

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  this is not an essay or "my story".

  these are just a few personal observations from someone who lived, breathed and.

  slept the jw religion for over 50 years.

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  I'm with you TMS. I understand.

  Everyday, every night, my mind does likewise.

  I have added pressure that the 'shit hitting the fan' is still a future event.

  I have accepted that the stress and emotional toil will shorten my life substantially.

  Hopefully, not by my own hand.

  5th
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  Christians, Is it okay for engaged couples to have sex before marriage?

  by asilentone in

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  Interesting JW twist to this.

  The Society always said that in ancient times engagement was viewed as a commitment just like marriage. They were trying to convey the idea of not going into it lightly.

  That, of course, begged the question from me, then why can't an engaged couple do the nasty?
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  Not doubting in private

  by 5thGeneration in

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  can anyone please help me find this wt quote.. it was from around 1999-2002.. where it says it would be wrong to have any doubts, even in private.

  something to that effect.. thanks.. 5th.

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  "First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.—Matthew 24:45."--(Watchtower, August 1, 2001 p. 14)

  Thanks everyone!

  Close Myth, same series of articles I assume.

  Marvin, that's the one I was thinking of.

  I remember where I was sitting at the KH when it was discussed.

  I wanted the reference as it was a major turning point for me.

  5th