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"there were watchtowers and osmond cd's strewn around everywhere" recalled the shaken resident marjorie spade, whose yard was the setting for a lame, sissy fight.
"i couldn't believe that in this day and age we still are fighting religious wars", she said in the aftermath of the flailing, ineffectual fracas.. apparantly the outbreak of faith-based nerd violence took place when two groups of youths approached eachother while out in their respective ministries.
I was laughing my ass off! ... until Auldsoul had to ruin the fun... Although, he is right.
I have a cousin who is a mormon (or was), and he was pretty much an "All-American" sort of guy, kung fu, football team, basketball team... all dreamy and $h!t...
I think in reality, the headline would have more likely read "Neighborhood Violence Turns to Non-Event as JW Youths Beat Futilely Upon Mormons' Chests"...
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how much should a man tolerate a girlfriend or wife that is very demanding on clothes/shoes and other articles such as perfumes, handbags etc?
is there a limit to what one should spend to keep them happy beyond which it becomes a case of them taking advantage?
What Brigid said... thank God!
"You've come a long way baby!"
i always thought this weird, even as a child.
i think i remember asking, but never really getting an answer.
what does the "e" stand for when they use dates like "607 bce", etc?
If I recall correctly, it was because when the A.D./B.C. system was being created, they made a mistake on the year and Jesus actually died a few years after 0 A.D.
there have been a lot of christian threads lately, so i thought that i would open a topic for other journeys.
because there is no way i will ever be a christian again because the curtain has been opened and i can see behind it, however i have an open mind and have started some meditation practices.
i have been thinking about visiting a buddhist temple out of curiosity.
Kabballah dates from the middle ages. It's a new kid on the block and probably zionist. It's far more complex than a path to enlightenment or getting to know oneself needs to be. Then again, most teachings have exteraneous stuff. The question is, does one want to be at the helm of his own ship, or just along for the ride. W a basic education on meditation, a person could likely find their own way. Taoism is even less religioussy than buddhism, imo.
How you can say it's "probably zionist" is beyond me. While tradition has its origin with Moses and later Abraham, it probably did originate in the 12th century AD. The zionist movement didn't exist until the late 19th century. Sooo... *shrug*
The difference between the eastern practice of stilling the mind and the western of overloading it, is one of methodology, from my experience, and can be equally beneficial in their ways.
there have been a lot of christian threads lately, so i thought that i would open a topic for other journeys.
because there is no way i will ever be a christian again because the curtain has been opened and i can see behind it, however i have an open mind and have started some meditation practices.
i have been thinking about visiting a buddhist temple out of curiosity.
Daystar, you quoted Kabballah in another thread. Kabballah is exactly this mysticism. Christianity is "Christo-Paganism" it is a mystery from Babylon. The idea of Messiah coming from anywhere other then Joseph and Mary's seed is not Jewish. It is a tale. Matthew 1 from the real Hebrew MSS doesn't include verses 18 and 25... Verse 1 makes the best sense!
I don't think we're on the same page here. I'm not referring to such specifics as they mean very little to me. Your opinion is that Christianity is a corruption of Judaism and thus, somehow, less. My opinion is that Judaism is also a "corruption" (though I'd prefer to say a retelling perhaps) of something(s) prior. So what's the diff.? There is no "pure" religion.
Daystar where did you get your education on these other matters? You just combined two ascetic origin terms in that last paragraph. I have never heard any other scholar do such. Are you collegiate? You sound so.
I have studied (all too briefly, sadly) with with a couple of western mystery schools, but I am an autodidact for the most part, and am no scholar by any means. For that I am both blessed and cursed. What two ascetic origins do you refer to that I combined?
The "secret" of redemption is not new and did not start with the Jews. Christians may have built upon it, but I don't feel that it lessens the message all that much. And my point is that even should it, the messages of Judaism are not "pure" either.
Is Christianity a mixture of Jewish theology and Pagan? It seems to me to be so, though many will wholeheartedly reject that. I'd have to research it to cite sources, but, as I've said, Judaism did not spring from nothing and was certainly influenced by earlier systems of belief. Leo probably has something to support or refute me.
when i was researching the watchtowers history, i stumbled across many strange and disturbing things!
here are some.. what have you found?
scans would be great for those still deciding and researching.. sincerely,.
Makes one wonder what JWs from 75-100 years from now might think about the blood issue, etc.
have any of you out there ever taken the "opposite route" and studied paganism or wicca?.
i know of some that practice that.
but i've been thinking about what a strange irony that would be, right?
There are actually quite a few here that are involved with your less... Christian systems of practices and beliefs.
Other than your stated curiousity, did anything else prompt your query?
For what it's worth, despite how many from both sides may protest, paganism is not quite completely "opposite" to Christianity. They're both, generally, humanistic in nature, if rather antagonistic to each others methods.
i noticed that many who post here have kind of thrown the "baby out with the bathwater", when it comes to the bible and god.. i understand that there is a fine line between love and hate.
maybe they blame god for the deception.
maybe they don't trust anything to do with god any more.
I'll have to remember to keep a good supply of large dog biscuits handy......
ROFL!! Woof!
whyzit, I'm sorry to have been part of the cause of misdirecting your thread. I think you have certainly valid questions. For my part, I simply intended to comment upon the first part and then to explain why one may not have remained Christian thereafter. From what I can tell, most of the ones I've seen post as having moved away from Christianity as a whole did so after a fairly thorough research, both secularly and of the heart, into the subject.
there have been a lot of christian threads lately, so i thought that i would open a topic for other journeys.
because there is no way i will ever be a christian again because the curtain has been opened and i can see behind it, however i have an open mind and have started some meditation practices.
i have been thinking about visiting a buddhist temple out of curiosity.
Christianity has stolen the Jew's Messiah and turned it into as Daystar obviously knows a sham, a Greek pagan philosophy, or Trinity, or in JW's case a preexistent angel named Michael..
Butters, I know no such thing. The messianic archtype by no means belongs to the Jews alone. There is nothing new under the sun. The Christians simply made it their own and pursued it how they best saw fit.
It's common for a tradition to eschew "progression" away from their belief system and feel a sense of superiority over those that do so. Sumerian-Jewish-Christian-Muslim. You can split it into the aeons as some do, the aeon of Isis (matriarchy), Osiris (patriarchy), Horus (individuation). Earth sects, such as Wiccan, etc. eschew the patriarchal and find comfort in the old matriarchal practices. The patriarchal (Judeo-Christian-Muslim) tend to eschew the wholly matriarchal (with some grey areas such as is evident with Mary worship), and keep the individuated at bay. The more individuated are viewed with some amount of fear as being "satanic" or "godless". These appeal more to the god within than the god without. (Again, grey areas all around.)
Anyway, I digress again. Nothing is new under the sun, Butters. Your saying Christianity stole anything is silly. From where did the Jewish tradition steal theirs? It's not like their beliefs sprang from nothing.
