no periods, all the women will be over 50. No sex for that matter as there is no marriage in the new system, and no kids are allowed once the world is full. Oh no, and no porn on the internet. All the brothers will go mad.
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Name products the JW's will regret not having anymore in their new system..
by JH in.
i'll start.
coke a cola
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Religions like Jehovah's Witnesses over the last 1900 years
by jwfacts inthe watchtower society has made the claim that since jesus time there have always been people that believe what the watchtower teaches, at least in regards to the major doctrine.
they also claim there has always been a f&d slave.
from time to time the watchtower has mentioned religious groups that were possibly part of the slave.
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Thank you for your comments.
Balsam, I read your profile and the links and am very sad to hear of the unimaginable suffering you have gone through. I was so convinced of the blood issue and used to defend it vigourously, yet never bothered to look beneath the WTS superficial explaination of Acts 15. Now that I have researched it I think it is one of the most blatant proofs that the WTS is not guided by God, and will do what I can to make sure other see the hypocrisy of this teaching.
IC, it is common for JWs to say that because some smart brother believes it is the truth it must be so. A brother told me the other day that he has faith in the WTS because my father believes it is the truth, I almost choked. How do people not see through such baseless reasonings? I know intelligent people that believe Born Agains are true, or Catholics are true, it doesnt make either of those religions right or wrong. Many more intelligent scientists believe evolution to be true. Stephen Hawking is one of the greatest minds alive, and he is an agnostic amused at religion, can that be used as a proof against religion. JWs somehow seem unable to see past the limited sphere of the WTS beyond any sense of reason. -
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When you tell someone that you're an ex-Jehovah's Witness...
by MsMcDucket in.
..are you proud or embarrassed?
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I feel embarrased but talk about it when I think it will be helpful in educating people to the ways of the WTS I have a friend who has been going with a man for about three months and she is terrified to tell him in case he thinks she is damaged goods or a freak. I have been coaching her on dropping it in casually one day like it is of little consequence but she can not pluck up the courage yet.
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When you tell someone that you're an ex-Jehovah's Witness...
by MsMcDucket in.
..are you proud or embarrassed?
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I feel embarrased but talk about it when I think it will be helpful in educating people to the ways of the WTS
I have a friend who has been going with a man for about three months and she is terrified to tell him in case he thinks she is damaged goods or a freak. I have been coaching her on dropping it in casually one day like it is of little consequence but she can not pluck up the courage yet. -
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Education Public Talk
by ackack inhas anyone seen the education public talk?
i have the outline over here, but its a talk that i'm sure will now have to undergo some serious modification.
the talk itself (imho) was far more balanced than the current line from the watchtower.. has that happened before, that a talk has to be pulled or reworked?.
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They do update the outlines. It would be interesting to see the one you have.
I was amused by your statement that you packed the afternoon after your talk. I would love to know what was going through your mind giving the talk if you already knew you were out of there. -
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Religions like Jehovah's Witnesses over the last 1900 years
by jwfacts inthe watchtower society has made the claim that since jesus time there have always been people that believe what the watchtower teaches, at least in regards to the major doctrine.
they also claim there has always been a f&d slave.
from time to time the watchtower has mentioned religious groups that were possibly part of the slave.
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The Watchtower Society has made the claim that since Jesus time there have always been people that believe what the Watchtower teaches, at least in regards to the major doctrine. They also claim there has always been a F&D slave. From time to time the Watchtower has mentioned religious groups that were possibly part of the Slave. I have done research into the groups mentioned in the Watchtower to show whether this claim can be verified.
Historically there are very few groups similar to the JWs and the ones the Watchtower mentions were around for only a fraction of the last 1900 years. Looking at the teachings of each of these groups shows that there has never been any Christians similar to the Witnesses or that it can be claimed made up the F&D slave. Anyone aware of the history of the beginning of the Watchtower Society would also know that prior to 1930 the Bible Students bore little resemblance to the Witnesses teachings today.
Watchtower 1981 March 1 p.24 “Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly.”
pe chap. 23 p. 192 God’s Visible Organization “ 4 The Bible shows that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way…”
For a group to be classified as part of the Slave class it is not necessary for them to have understood and taught every current Witness doctrine, such as the Great Crowd and end time prophecies. However there are several key teachings that they must have held to. These groups must not believe in the Trinity or immortality of the soul. They must show love and preach. Certainly they could not advocate immorality, spiritism, Egyptology or idolatry of the cross. Currently a Witness would say that for the last 2000 years this ongoing group of Jehovah’s people was;
Anti-Trinitarian
Using God’s name Jehovah or it’s equivalent translation
Not believing in hellfire or immortality of the soul
Not participating in war
Preaching
Until 1500 A.D. few people had access to the bible, apart from the Catholic clergy, so it seems few groups developed a belief system even vaguely similar to what the Slave says is essential to be considered righteous in Gods eyes.
During the 150 year period from Henry VIII to Charles I (1500 and 1600’s) anti-Trinitarianism was pursued consistently and vigorously by ‘heretics’. Many of these ‘heretics’ such as the Unitarian Bishop of Transylvania (Hungary) had such radical views in other areas they can not be considered acceptable to a Jehovah’s Witness.
The closest known groups that have been mentioned in the Watchtower to be like Witnesses are the Waldenses, Cathari, Albigenses and Huguenots. These were all basically Protestants and adhered to many Protestant teachings considered wrong by the Watchtower Society. The Minor Brethern (Socianians) was the group most similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses today. A brief look shows none of these would be acceptable to be called a Jehovah’s Witness.
Albigenses or Cathari
Regularly these groups are made to sound like Jehovah’s Witnesses but the Watchtower is forced to admit they also held to key teachings that contradicted the bible.
Mankind’s Search for God chap. 11 pp. 281-282 “36 Yet another movement got started in the 12th century in the south of
Watchtower 1995 September 1 p.29 The Cathari—Were They Christian Martyrs? “Although the Cathari quoted the Bible extensively, they viewed it primarily as a source of allegories and fables….Many Cathar teachings were in direct contradiction to the Bible. For instance, they believed in the immortality of the soul and in reincarnation.”
Waldenses
Watchtower 2002 March 15 pp.20-21 The Waldenses—From Heresy to Protestantism. “Most historians agree that the movement had its start about the year 1170. … Poverty, preaching, and the Bible were at the heart of Vaudès’ life….Among other things, the early Waldenses rejected lying, purgatory, Masses for the dead, papal pardons and indulgences, and the worship of Mary and the “saints.” They also held annual observances of the Lord’s Evening Meal, or Last Supper. According to Lambert, their form of worship “was, in effect, the religion of the ordinary layman….Over the centuries, Waldensian churches have been established in countries as far away from as and the . However, most historians agree with Audisio, who says that “Waldensianism came to an end at the time of the Reformation,” when it was “swallowed up” by Protestantism.”
The Catholic Encyclopeadia says the Waldenses were so similar to Cathari that they are assumed to be an offshoot of them. They were Protestants and held to many unscriptural and strange teachings, such as encouraging members to dissolve their marriages in order to live nomadic lives of poverty. They also continued to take sacrament in the Catholic Church.
Huguenots
Another group that the Watchtower has mentioned is Huguenots, but these were just another group of Protestants.
Awake 1997 April 22 p.5 Wars of Religion in “Tired of waiting for changes, many members of the movement for reform within the Catholic Church sided with Protestantism. About 1560, numerous French aristocrats and their supporters joined the Huguenots, as Protestants had come to be called.”
Anabaptists, Socinians & the Brethren Minor Party
The Anabaptists, Socinians and Brethern of the Minor Party were all closely related and lasted for around 100 years during the late 1500’s. This group seems to be the closest to current Watchtower teaching. The following Watchtower article from 2003 gives the distinct impression that they were just like Witnesses and shows a number of similarities. However in 1988 it had been shown that these too “were guilty of many errors”.
Watchtower 2003 December 15 p.12 They Searched for the What the Brethren of the Minor Party Believed
“The following quotes from the 15th- and 16th-century Acta Unitatis Fratrum show some of the beliefs held by the Minor Party. The statements, written by leaders of the Minor Party, are primarily directed to the Major Party………Trinity: “If you glance throughout the entire Bible, you will not find that God is divided into a kind of Trinity, three persons by names, as people fabricated in their fancies.”…….Holy spirit: “The holy spirit is God’s finger and a gift of God, or a comforter, or God’s Power, which the Father gives to believers on the basis of Christ’s merits. We do not find in the Holy Scriptures that the holy spirit should be called a God or a Person; nor do the apostolic teachings show that.”……..Baptism: “The Lord Christ told his apostles: Go into all the world, preach the Gospel to all creation, to those who would believe. (Mark, chapter 16) And only after these words: and being baptized, they will be saved. And you teach to baptize little children who lack their own faith.”……..Neutrality: “What your early brothers viewed as bad and unclean, to join the army and murder or to walk the very roads clothed with weapons, all that you consider to be good . . . So we feel that you, along with other teachers, look only with your left eye at the prophetic words that point out: Thus he broke the power of the bow, the shields and the sword and the battle. (Psalm 75) And again: They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the Lord’s earth shall be full of the divine knowledge, and so forth. (Isaiah, chapter 11).” …….Preaching: “We well know that, initially, females have brought more people to repentance than all the priests along with a bishop. And now the priests settled at their places and their apportioned rectories. What a mistake! Go into the entire world. Preach . . . to all creation.”
Awake 1988 November 22 pp.19-20 The Socinians—Why Did They Reject the Trinity? “Like the religions around them, they were guilty of many errors. Still, of all the religions of the Reformation, this rivulet of Socinianism adhered to the Bible more than most. …. The Minor Reformed Church (as Socinians were officially called) flourished in for nearly a hundred years. At their peak they numbered up to 300 congregations.
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When did God choose the WT to be the truth?
by MegaDude incould someone direct me to a society publication or scan where the wt claims god picked them out of all the religions to be the truth?
what year did this supposedly take place in?
i'm prepping someone on how to talk to a jw they are in contact with.
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At jwfacts.com there are pages of teachings that have changed, along with original quotes. www.wikipedia.org (online encyclopedia) also has a list.
The majority of discarded teachings were not changed by Rutherford until after his failed 1925 prophecy. There were over 20 wrong dates including 1799 1874 and 1914 that were not changed until the 1930's.
The 1919 concept is clearly flawed (apart from there being no logical reason to come up with such a year). On one hand the F&D slave has been faithfully feeding the sheep for 1900 years since Jesus time (even though not one group has been found that teach what JWs teach), on the other hand they were steeped in paganism. On the one hand Jesus appointed them over all his belongings in 1919 and cleansed them then, on the other hand they continued promoting the false teaching until the 1930's. -
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Karl Adams dies
by SadElder in.
announced this am at crooklyn that long time bethelite karl adams has died.. we didn't know him well, just a passing acquaintance from times past.
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I often wonder about him. He was overseer and worked closely with R Franz and E Dunlap when they left the Org. I wonder how it affected him, and how he continued to be able to promote Watchtower propoganda. In Franz's books he quotes from some of Adams articles to the GB that showed he was not always in agreement with the official teachings. Amazing how he humbly (or ignorantly) just continued on.
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I Need Some Folks To Set Me Right!
by Nate Merit ini need to know a few things in order to be accurate in the book i'm currently writing.
if you can help, muchas gracias mi amigo.. .
i was baptized thirty six years ago.
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They baptism in the name of the Father, Son and HS in a very loosely worded way, due to the fact that JWs do not believe the HS has a name as it is not a person. The following article lists the vows, however these are different from what you would have answered as they changed in 1985 to include being baptised as one of the Organsiation as well, a very important difference.
*** w85 6/1 p. 30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication ***
At the close of the convention baptism talk, the baptism candidates will be in position to answer with depth of understanding and heartfelt appreciation two simple questions that serve to confirm that they recognize the implications of following Christ’s example. The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
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Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?
Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.
Proper Decorum
Sometimes questions are raised about proper dress for those being baptized. Certainly modesty should prevail in the type of bathing suit used. This is important today when fashion designers seem to want to flaunt sexuality and achieve almost total nudity. Another factor to take into account is that some suits that appear modest when dry are less than that when wet. No one getting baptized would want to be a cause for distraction or stumbling at an event as serious as baptism.—Philippians 1:10.
There is a song before hand, always one of the same 3 or 4 that are considered appropriate, mine was song number 13, unlucky for some I guess.
There is also a prayer before hand, I can not remember if it is before of after the song.
The brother doing the dunking must be an elder.
It is usually done at an assembly or convention, though in special cases can be done elsewhere, such as a prision.
I know of one sister that had a phobia of water and so it was done privately in her house. It took several hours before they could totally immerse her. I friend of mine has an afro. She was dunked at an assembley. She stepped out of the bath and they noticed her hair did not appear wet, so they made her get back in and had to rub her hair to get the water to penetrate through to the skin.
Dress is supposed to be modest, so many people, brothers and sisters in my area wear tshirts. I remember an unfortunate very old woman that got baptised fully dressed in a white outfit with no underwear. Us young brothers were quite scarred at the site of a virtually naked 90 year old. -
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RACISM IN WT
by stillAwitness inthis article entitled :jws, blacks and discrimination emailed to me from an "inactive" friend of mine.
i don't know wether to be hurt or just plain pissed.
my question is has anyone read or seen any hints of racism amongst the wt even nowadays?
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here is a more recent quote i just noticed on another thread.
The article starts by saying that "Superiority of race is nowhere taught or implied in the Bible." However the following quote shows there still exists strange reasonings.
*** w73 12/1 p. 736 Questions from Readers ***• What is the view of Jehovah’s witnesses toward interracial marriage?
The Christian is under obligation to proclaim the good news of the Kingdom to others. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) As a factor, then, he may consider whether or not interracial marriage is likely to create a seriously adverse effect on the attitude of the people in his community toward this Kingdom-announcement work. The examples of Christ Jesus and his apostles show that they were willing to forgo things to which they had a right rather than severely hinder persons from being receptive to the truth of God’s Word.