Posts by jwfacts

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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

jwfacts

I don't see where you are going with all this. If JWs cared if 607 was correct, then secular proof is enough, since secular proof is required for 539, upon which 607 is based. Their belief is not based on logic, it is based on the want to believe regardless of logic.

"It is important to understand that in most Bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group. It is the sense that the group is God's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control. Thus, to engage the cult member in a Biblical argument or discussion is often futile." Stephen Hassan, Releasing the Bonds p.145

JWs are not in it for the doctrine. They are in it for friends, for Jehovah, for paradise. No amount of Scripture will convince them that the Governing Body is wrong whilst they want to believe it.

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Did the organization admit declining growth and stagnation in today's watchtower?

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

did anyone catch this quote?

"over seven and a half million witnesses of jehovah really have found him and they truly love him.".

why are they no longer touting "nearly 8 million" witnesses?

jwfacts

They are referring to average publishers, which is a more accurate figure. Peak publishers includes double counting such as when a publisher may put in more than one report for months they missed. Maybe they are worried about being deceitful and pulled up online about it.

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I hate being so angry about shunning.

by quellycatface in

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since i kicked up a fight regarding shunning at my local supermarket, i am still angry.

because, only this morning i received a look of contempt from one of my ex-friends/sister.. i really feel like telling her what i think of her behaviour but i guess that would only enforce the "persecution complex"!!!!.

just venting.

jwfacts

Just smile big and wave; go up and say something complimentary even if it is from the past.

I did that to a friend. I saw her in a coffee shop so went a sat with her and chatted for a while. She said "I knew you'd come and talk to me." I said "I don't believe what the religion teaches, particularly about shunning." I talked for a while, but not long enough for it to get too uncomfortable.

It works for some people, but I've had others run for their lives. But when they do that, it is hilarious, and I can laugh at their patheticness. Taking the upper hand takes away their power and their contempt turns to embarrassment.

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Contradictory geneology of Jesus

by rebel8 in

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so i'm reading another carl sagan book and he seems to invariably find a way to slam j-dubs in each one.

(i can't say i blame him.).

anyway, in this one he discusses the fact that the gospels give contradictory geneologies of jesus--differing lines back to david from joseph, and a different number of generations.

jwfacts

If I recall correctly, the Watchtower claims one was Joseph's line and the other was Mary's line.

Also, he mentions the geneology should trace back to Mary, since she was his bio mom, not Joseph.

Exactly. It shows the sexism of the Bible that Joseph's line is included, as he is in no way relevant to Jesus being in the line of David.

If you look at some of those generations as two groups that overlap, it all makes perfect sense.

LOL, the old overlapping generation trick.

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Hubby's tempted to go back

by jgnat in

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friends

today he kept bumping in to (or rather dodging and weaving from) fellow witnesses.

he's talking about returning but can't figure out a way to do it without enduring a fair amount of humiliation.

i did not panic.

jwfacts

He has not been out for long. It took me several years before the fears about maybe it was right stopped rearing its ugly head, or that it was not the truth but I missed my friends. Lucky for me, being disfellowshipped made it a lot harder to return, which gave me enough time to snap back to reality. Hopefully he does not do anything rash in these early days. Find excuses to stop him going back to the hall just long enough from the indoctrination to dissipate.

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New website called JW.Orgasm would be epic

by RayPublisher in

funny interchange last night on youtube made me laugh hard:.

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http://s98060354.onlinehome.us/bu/jw.orgasm_grab.png.

jwfacts

I just found this on another site:

Missionary Positions available.

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New website called JW.Orgasm would be epic

by RayPublisher in

funny interchange last night on youtube made me laugh hard:.

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http://s98060354.onlinehome.us/bu/jw.orgasm_grab.png.

jwfacts

It could make a good quizz question. Which site would a JW most like to visit?

jw.org
jw.orgy
jw.orgasm
jw.borg

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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

jwfacts

Babylon fell	"Babylon fell in 539 B.C." Babylon the Great Has Fallen - God's Kingdom Rules p.184	539 B.C.
Plus Nabonidus	"On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some seventeen years(556-539 B.C.E.)." Aid to Bible Understanding - Nabonidus p.1195	17 years
Plus Labashi-Marduk	"Labashi-Marduk ... was a vicious boy, and within nine months he had his throat cut by an assassin." Babylon the Great Has Fallen - God's Kingdom Rules p.184	1 year
Plus Neriglissar	Neriglissar ... reigned four years Babylon the Great Has Fallen - God's Kingdom Rules p.184	4 years
Plus Evil-Merodach	"After reigning but two years King Evil-Merodach was murdered"Babylon the Great Has Fallen - God's Kingdom Rules p.184	2 years
PlusNebuchadnezzar	"Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years" Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.480	43 years
Equals start of Nebuchadnezzar's reign	Calculated by adding above figures	606 B.C.
MinusNebuchadnezzar's 19th year	2 Kings 25:8-9 "And in the ... nineteenth year of King Neb·u·chad·nez´zar ... the servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. And he proceeded to burn the house of Jehovah"	19th year
Date for Destruction	Therefore calculated as:	587 B.C.

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Jehovah's Witness cemetery trolls disrupt a Mothers grief

by Watchtower-Free in

jehovah's witness cemetery trolls disrupt a mothers grief .

http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/13013058-95/ray-duckler-witnessing-a-mothers-sorrow-at-a-very-private-moment.

by ray duckler.

jwfacts

JWs are so ignorant. The person in question thinks she is spreading a message of hope, oblivious to the fact that others have their own beliefs and hope, and a cemetery is a place for repectful mourning.

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What's The Basic Vibe of Jehovah's Witnesses These Days?

by minimus in

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friends

do you think they are zealous?.

happy, joyful?.

pessimistic, depressed?.

jwfacts

I get the impression online that there is an increased vibe of excitement. 100 years, wars and stare of the art website. The 100 year Mark was always key in many JW minds. Once that is past, it will become an issue. They need to invent themselves, starting now, and start to be a religion that is about family culture and community. End time doctrine needs to be slipped under the carpet, or they become irrelevant. More Footloose on Kingdom Hall stages.