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  Bethel experiences sound like a prison sentence.Why even go?

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  when i read about bethel experiences my mind go to the show locked up raw!.

  why would someone subject themselves to this without commeting a crime.. the wife and i went to see bethel in broklyn a few years ago and it was unlike anything i expected.

  very cold.. went the bosert hotel and was talking to a brother there and asked how long he had been there, he said 25 years...i asked how old he was.

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  I knew after a tour of bethel that I would hate it but went anyway. I thought it was what Jehovah required of me for the short time before Armageddon. I never expected there was ever going to be the need to save for retirement.
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  pros and cons of anti depessants?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  obviously i'm having ex cult issues, family still in and a wife that's all kokoo for cocopuffs as well as our marriage isn't good.

  i would like to leave her, she has never been the kind of wife i wanted.

  anyway the stress is getting to be to much, thinking about things all the time and its effecting my work as well as otherthings.

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  I would only take them as a last resort. I Was in a similar state to you when leaving. My doctor discouraged them, though eventually I did go on some for about 3 months. I was worried about becoming dependant on them for my happiness.

  What really worked was an 8 session course with a Cognitive Behavioural Therapist. It is a simple concept where your train yourself to see the positive instead of the negative in situations. I cannot recommend it highly enough.

  To stop your mind going around in circles, write things down. The issue, the solutions, the outcome etc. That is how jwfacts.com came about.
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  ruderhead - I know of other stories of foolish jw workers, but I also know of some who give their best to their employers when they are at their jobs. Probably reflects the general population

  Totally agree. I have found that there are all sorts of JWs, just like in the general population. Some you relate to, some you can trust, and others you don't and can't. Quite unlike the propoganda (thanks Oubliette) in the Watchtower.
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  Here are parts from another email that I have received.

  I am from SOUTH AFRICA and my cousin is working for a JW business. We are Christians and cannot believe that they are supposed to be SO dedicated but do some terrible things!

  They pay their staff the lowest wage possible.

  They use old parts which they "clean up" and charge customer for "new" ones.

  They Drink excessively

  Accuse people falsely (stealing their things)

  SURELY.......if they are such "holy people" how can they behave like that? They are hypocrites - seem to have no conscience ??? They spend so much money on themselves and waste food by throwing in bin and not offering to the staff who are all battling! They gave my cousin a book called "REASONING from the SCRIPTURES". Don't they use a Bible?
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  It reminds me of when I worked part time for an elder doing some construction work when I was a pioneer. He said he was shocked at how hard I worked, as all the other pioneers that worked for him were so lazy. He thought pioneers only did so because they were trying to get out of full time work.
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  Phizzy - There is real danger in employing too many of them, one JW I know got DF'd and 99% of his JW employess walked out that day!

  That is a very real danger for any JW. I guess most do not expect to get disfellowshipped, but it can happen to anyone. It is a good warning for anyone fading that is reading this and employs JWs.

  The other problem of having too many JW employees is they all expect to have the conventions and special months as holidays at the same time.
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  I used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire JWs because they were known as the most honest workers. I was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of JWs being dishonest in the workforce. I have received a couple recently by email.

  I have cut quite a bit out of the following email I received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.

  I fired an employee who is a member of the JW’s because I could no longer trust her integrity to carry out her duties without passive aggressively bad mouthing and undermining me behind my back. There were many incidents which I do not want to list here and take too much of your time to read.

  Because of her strong JW association, out of respect for her religion, I no longer had office celebrations such as birthdays, Christmas parties, and other “religious” celebrations. ... She then proceeded to threaten me by saying she will drag my good name through the mud. All the allegations she made about me are false. She filed a complaint saying she was discriminated due to her religion, which is entirely false, since in the past, I have hired JWs.
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  Sadly inevitable...JWs glad that Robin Williams died on "this side" of Armageddon

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  thread is here:.

  http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16494-robin-williams-found-dead/.

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  Regarding whether he will get a resurrection, the latest is that no one can really know.

  "Still, if a Christian minister is asked to preside at the funeral, he may feel that on a private basis, he can do so. If he decides to do so, he should be discreet in not making any firm statements about whether a resurrection might be possible. Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." w02 6/15 pp. 30-31
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  Sadly inevitable...JWs glad that Robin Williams died on "this side" of Armageddon

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thread is here:.

  http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16494-robin-williams-found-dead/.

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  Sick, but sadly logical in their warped world view.
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  Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

  by Bart Belteshassur in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

  in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

  once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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  I don't see where you are going with all this. If JWs cared if 607 was correct, then secular proof is enough, since secular proof is required for 539, upon which 607 is based. Their belief is not based on logic, it is based on the want to believe regardless of logic.

  "It is important to understand that in most Bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group. It is the sense that the group is God's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control. Thus, to engage the cult member in a Biblical argument or discussion is often futile." Stephen Hassan, Releasing the Bonds p.145

  JWs are not in it for the doctrine. They are in it for friends, for Jehovah, for paradise. No amount of Scripture will convince them that the Governing Body is wrong whilst they want to believe it.