Posts by jwfacts

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My thoughts on the last WT study. Keep in Expectation

by StarTrekAngel in

so i sat thru another brain mushing session for the sake of family.

it is no myth by now that the more time you spend awake the harder it is the accept that people just take all of this in without asking.

a computer has more reasoning abilities than your average jw at this point.

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That paragraph is so ignorant. A couple of additional logical failures:

Under those conditions, even skeptics would likely feel compelled too admit bible prophecy was undergoing fulfillment.

No, those conditions are things that have always happened. Think back to early man in the ice age. It would just be considered by skeptics to be the cycle of life.

From the simplified version.

But if that happened, it would be obvious to everyone that Bible prophecy was being fulfilled. It would be clear even to people who are not interested in what the Bible says.

No, most of the world does not follow they Bible. Bad conditions would lead them to their own religion for answers. As an example, I was speaking to a Muslim once, who was saying earthquakes were a sign of Allah's return. He would not see it as a sign to join Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Not on a WTS Cover - Famine Continues to Decline

by berrygerry in

that darn satan keeps confusing those horsies in apocalypse - they seem to be going in reverse.. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/global-hunger-calamitous-famine-eradicated-last-50-years.

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They are phenomenal statistics. 27 million famine related deaths the decade before 1914. 1.5 million the decade before 2014. Throw in that the population is ten times larger and famine is only about 1% of what it used to be.

I find it irritating that people (JWs in particular) harp on about how terrible the world is, when we have seen such monumental advancements in the last century.

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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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Thank you for all the comments.

Good catch Splash, I have updated the rogue sentence.

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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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I would like to do an article on Jackson's comments about the GB. Alternatively, it may be about the misinformation spread throughout the JC. I am looking forward to the recommendations that the RC provide. They felt that of the groups involved in the hearing, Watchtower was the organization with the most flawed child abuse policies, and their recommendations should contain so excellent information to publish.

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

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LevelThePlayingField, thanks, I look forward to getting it.

This is priceless. Their own website http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202011167#h=1:0-4:278 states that a form should be filled out, "regardless of whether he demonstrates interest," after which it is held by the congregation or sent to Bethel to forward to the appropriate congregation.

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Geoffrey Jackson's father

by One_day in

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hi everybody, does anybody know if geof jacksons father is still alive?.

i wonder if he would dare return to australia again, maybe for his funeral?.

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Brokeback Watchtoweran hour ago
When older it takes some type of upheaval in order for neural plasticity to take place and one change one's whole mode of thinking. Lets hope people that this man will change for the destruction of the Watchtower Organization!!

I doubt it. He strategically became anointed whilst married to one of the sweetest women I have had the pleasure to know. When she died a few years ago, I had hoped it may trigger some emotion in him. Yet since then he has still shown himself to be fully supportive of the new direction the Governing Body is taking. Maybe he has suffered internal turmoil since his wife, and now father have died, but there has been nothing to indicate this is the case. In the RC, he came across conceited and dismissive.

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Cult or Religion

by Richard C B in

what is a cult and what is a religion?

its open to debate.

who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

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The basic definition of cult is simply a religion with its rites.

"a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

However, people tend to think of a small crazy group in a commune. Due to this range of perceived definitions, the word cult has lost its usefulness. For that reason, the term used now in such discussions is whether a group uses "undue influence." That way the discussion can focus on the way the group operates, and the affect on the followers, rather than the collapse into a debate on doctrine.

Watchtower complies with a lot of the practices that are considered undue influence, in particular not being able to question the leaders, and shunning.

Jehovah's Witnesses vary greatly in how strictly they follow the rules and internalize the doctrine. For many that just hang in there for social reasons, it does not hold much influence in their life. For those in Bethel, it is very much like being in a small cult commune. Once they move to Warwick, that will become even more evident. When I was in Sydney Bethel, which is in a country setting an hour from the CBD I felt like I was trapped in a cult commune, and found it oppressive and depressing.

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

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We need to help out here. I'm prepared to contact Deaf Aotearoa and the newspaper and explain what the official process is. Do they still use the Foreign Language forms and do these get sent to Bethel or are they just held locally at the Kingdom Halls? If anyone has a copy I could forward that would be great.

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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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Cognac - Hi Paul, Are you sending the RC this article?

Angus has read it. I am not sure that the RC is looking to legally pursue individuals, but I thought the information may help them identify that Watchtower does change its doctrine to be more secular under legal pressure.

Also having evidence of the GB dishonesty and contempt shown to the system should make sure the RC does not go soft on its condemnation of their practices and its recommendations for change.

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"New Light never contradicts Old Light, but simply adds to it"

by stuckinarut2 in

does anyone remember this classic quote from a society publication??.

i remember it has been quoted many times, but i cant find the reference.. if this comment is to be taken literally, it condemns the organization anytime there has been a complete changes in teachings and doctrine!

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"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188