take the case of rolf furuli.
i don't think there has been a specific thread on the hebrew verbs u-turn in the nwt, and how the society has responded to the work of perhaps their brightest and ablest defender in their history.
so here goes.. rolf furuli has defended jws on multiple fronts in many different settings, on issues ranging from chronology, mental health, doctrines, bible translation and the blood issue.
Excellent thread. I wonder how Furuli feels about the lack of recognition, the subsequent changes to the NWT, and the affect this has on his faith.
At When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Carl Olof Jonsson shows that Furuli has been referenced in Watchtower letters and his works were the basis for the 2011 information on 607. If 607 were to be change, it would be interesting to know if Furuli would continue to remain a Watchtower follower?
what is the monthly stipend that the bethelites receive every month?
does any one has an actual number?
The reason for some of the contradiction in figures is that the amount varies by person. There is a monthly allowance, an annual allowance that is different depending on a person's age, and potentially a car allowance. I do not know the current figures, but it would average out somewhere between $150 to $250 per month.
it never has ceased to boggle my mind how twisted up jw thinking is.
when they see something like what happened in paris, in person they will express how sad and detestable it is quickly followed by "this is why we need the kingdom, and the desert god is gonna fix everything.
" here is where i get perplexed.
It just hit me, that going by this logic, JWs should instead be hoping that large amounts of people be killed now, so that at least they have a chance to live in pariah - dice.
Except they also need to believe that worldly people are so evil that they deserve to die at Armageddon, so it becomes a bit of a catch 22.
a bethelite was telling me that there are 83,000 theocratic facilities world wide.
he compared that to 35,000 mcdonalds and 21,000 starbucks roughly to show the size of the theocratic organization.
i am not sure where the 83,000 comes from what would he be counting?
can you send me the quote where the watchtower said that the word includes the book vindication?
thanks a bunch!.
.. the quote is in the 1932 watchtower, april 1, pg.101, par.
doesn't it seem strange that the bible never mentions the pyramids?
how could someone go to egypt at that time and not even so much as mention the huge monuments?
Isaiah 19:19-20;
"In that day there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Jehovah beside its boundary. 20 And it must prove to be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, even a grand one, who will actually deliver them."
Russell thought Isaiah 19 was referring to the great Pyramid, though it is strange that it is not more direct reference to it.
okay, i need to vent.
as a newly awoken individual, i have yet to "come out" to my hard core jdub parents.
my plan was to lay low and use my unbelieving husband and baby as an excuse for my "inactivity", it has worked for the last few months.
Either prevent your mother showing these videos now, or soon you will start answering questions from your child as to why you don't love Jehovah and how you will die at Armageddon.
Don't think that 4 is too young to be influenced. My son was 4 when he wanted to know why I am shunned, and asked questions about where life came from and what happens when we die.
sorry if this is old news but just heard that there will only be about 75 people left at sydney bethel after layoffs.
eyeuse2badub Aus bethel is in the middle of nowhere. I doubt any hotel would want it. Maybe dorms for a university. The land is in an area that there are some nice houses, so they may subdivide and sell most of it off.
I always thought Bethel was an inefficient waste. Who needs 400 staff to run a couple of printing presses and a service desk. 75 is what it always should have been.
i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.
we both served as elders for years.
he is in his late 70s.
And they are not Apostates.
There are something new.
Actually, they are apostates, they just don't like that label. An apostate is someone that turns away from watchtower teachings, which is what they have done, and in a fairly significant way. Like all of us, we realise that the way the Watchtower describes apostates is not a fair representation.
It is great to hear that these people are getting together. The big fear of leaving the religion, particularly in older age, is having no social circle and this sounds like it fills the gap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.
