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  If a person is transgender and gets saved what will they go to heaven as?

  by Nikorasu95 in

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  2. friends

  i know this is a stupid question because the answer is obvious, but if a person was born a male and gets transgender surgery to turn into female will that person go to heaven as a male or female if they died saved?

  i think they will go to heaven with the gender they were born with.

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  Nikorasu95 - the answer is obvious
  

  Really? What is the obvious answer?
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  Baptized at a young age, homeschooled, and pioneered ...

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and all of this by the time i was 14. i was the youngest person in my pioneer school.

  was anybody else in the trenches (to this degree) at such a young age?.

  i look back on it now and marvel at how isolated i was.

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  I think homeschooling is such a sad thing for a child. How many parents are equiped to spend the time and have the skills to properly educate a child in all the areas covered at school. Interaction with other school children is also a great way to learn how to deal with people in general. If a parent is diligent it providing the right education, and the child has a lot of friends at the kingdom hall it may work out alright, but it is particularly isolating if there are few children of the same age at that hall.

  I am interested in how those that were homeschooled now feel about it, and how well they fit into work life and building friendships.
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  Told My Parents Yesterday That I Don't Want to Be a JW

  by Saethydd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wasn't entirely sure what to expect when i made the decision to tell my parents how i really feel, but i was prepared for the worst, fortunately, it didn't come to that.

  after i told them i didn't want to go to the meetings anymore it led to a long talk with them.

  they made a number of irksome and woefully uninformed statements but at least they were not aggressive and have said that they won't force me to move out over this, though, i can tell they are hoping they can convince me to "accept the truth," as long as i still live with them.

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  "If Jehovah doesn't exist one may as well shoot them self in the head." ... That if one can't exist forever then they may as well not exist at all.
  

  It is an interesting concept. If a person cannot find joy living day to day for a short period of time, why would they feel that living forever would have any more meaning? Eternal life on earth will just be doing more of the same of life now, but without any end to it.
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  Southern California USA Congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses On High Alert

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  circuit overseers, elders, ministerial servants, pioneers and rank & file are stressed out over an ex-jw (kevin) who has visited nearly 20 congregations (orange county) and has high-jacked the opening prayers and done some effective witnessing before he is escorted to the back door.

  and everything is caught on video!.

  kevin is also visiting numerous jw cart locations from the los angeles area to orange county and giving a most effective wiitness at each location and they're all on video.

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  I don't normally like this sort of thing, but Kevin has a really nice nature and comes across very well.
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  Did you ever have a discussion with an apostate that helped your journey out.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get jehovah's witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks.

  do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  some of the methods include:.

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  "militant" tactics were less than useless ... but if it made some angry "apostate" feel better than i hope it helped them.
  

  Interesting way to look at it.
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  Did you ever have a discussion with an apostate that helped your journey out.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get jehovah's witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks.

  do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  some of the methods include:.

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  Great answers, keep them coming.
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  Did you ever have a discussion with an apostate that helped your journey out.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get jehovah's witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks.

  do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  some of the methods include:.

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  Thanks for the replies.

  Interesting that in each case it was not being approached by apostates. Rather there were doubts to start with, and the stealth research.

  Rainbow_Troll - Midway through his sermon my mom comes along: "What are you doing with my son?!"

  Interesting how if a person approaches a teenager to discuss the Bible, a JW gets all concerned, yet think there is nothing wrong with going uninvited to strangers houses and speaking about their beliefs.
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  Did you ever have a discussion with an apostate that helped your journey out.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get jehovah's witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks.

  do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  some of the methods include:.

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  There seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get Jehovah's Witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks. Do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  Some of the methods include:

  • Picketing conventions
  • Ads in newspapers and on billboards
  • ExJW's on the radio and TV
  • ExJW's approaching carts
  • Conversations or emails with an old exJW friend
  • Conversations when JWs come to the door of an exJW
  • ExJW's going up to JWs whilst they are at a door in the territory
  • Kingdom Hall talks where the speaker uses it as the disassociation talk
  • ExJW's answering at a meeting
    
  • ExJW's causing a scene at a Kingdom Hall
  • ExJW's hiding their previous association when speaking with JWs
  • ExJW's hosting websites and posting on forums

  Whilst I am not a fan of the more aggressive approaches, I accept that different things work for different people, and am interested what may have had an affect on people here that have left. Did convention pickets or conversations help you, or some of the other scenarios, or did you make you mind up to leave prior to becoming aware of any "apostate" information?

  I was approached once at the age of about 16 when I was street witnessing and had an interesting talk about Crisis of Conscience. The person raised how Watchtower made a profit from selling publications. That always stuck with me even though it did cause me to leave.

  Another time an exJW came up to a person's door whilst I was doing my presentation to tell the householder that I was part of a cult. Quite confusing for both me and the householder, and I quickly left. I'm not sure that had any affect, except make me realise apostates have a lot of anger.

  A non-JW householder once told me a lot about the early history of Watchtower, which did have quite an affect on me, though my parents told me it was lies and I never looked into it further.

  Looking back, none of those experiences prompted me to leave, but they did remain with me and made me understand that people do have intelligent reasons for not believing it was the truth. That seed of doubt always remained.

  Some conversations that had the most affect were with believers that raised their own internal doubts, even though they were not trying to affect my faith.
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  One of the most defining thing that made me question JW church after 27 years was seeing the funeral discourse outline.

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  it gave the poor bastard who past away no respect, hardly mentioned anything about the deceased.

  yet hijacked the event with cult propaganda..

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  If anyone can send me a link to the later outlines that would be great.
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  One of the most defining thing that made me question JW church after 27 years was seeing the funeral discourse outline.

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it gave the poor bastard who past away no respect, hardly mentioned anything about the deceased.

  yet hijacked the event with cult propaganda..

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  Good point. A JW cannot celebrate a birthday because "better is the day of ones death than birth", yet still at death the funeral outline says the person cannot be eulogized.

  The outline is at http://jehovah.net.au/books/Watchtower-Funeral-Discourse.pdf