Posts by jwfacts

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

But the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of Jehovah's name. I'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of JW events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

They are only ahead of the curve if it eventually is proven that the divine name was used throughout the NT, until then they are not ahead of any curve. Neither is this a phenomenal success. JW growth is just a fraction of that of Pentecostals, whom number over 100 million. I thought you were joking with this introduction, but it seems you were serious.

I would like to understand is why you think finding YWHW in a NT fragment would have any significant affect on JWs. I have presented why I think it would make little difference.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

I would hate to have you on a jury. Evidence it was in use at the time is not evidence it was in the NT, it is circumstantial evidence at the very best. What I see is a list of rhetorical fallacies - straw-man arguments and arguments from authority.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

It should be "obvious" that a scholar who argues for a position agrees with the position he is arguing for.

Not at all. It should be obvious people set out to make a name for themselves, and presenting a theory with the hope that it may later be proven is how scholars and scientist set themselves up to make that name for themselves.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

The divine name was in use in certain circles in the first century, but as yet there is no evidence of the divine name being in the New Testament. SBF, this has always been an important topic to you, yet as I mentioned, it is irrelevant to Watchtower longevity. There will be little more than a ripple if a fragment of a NT book is found with the divine name in it, partly because JWs are not aware of how dishonest Watchtower has been in propping up this doctrine.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

jwfawcts much has been made of the fact George Howard presented his idea as a "theory". It's true he wasn't dogmatic, he didn't need to be. He wasn't a JW and his faith didn't depend on it. But did he believe he was correct about the divine name in the NT? Well obviously he did or else why make the argument and assemble all the evidence to make his case? Plus his later work continued the theme as he attempted to demonstrate that an early form book of Matthew in Hebrew used the divine name.

jwfawcts - Is that a lisp, or a Boston accent?

Using the word "obviously" to support an assumption makes that sound like a Watchtower paragraph. Howard was not that dogmatic, he presents this as just a hypothesis, as per his following quote.

"The above examples are, of course, only exploratory in nature and are set forth here programatically. Nevertheless, the evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that the thesis of this paper is quite possible. We have refrained from drawing too many conclusions due to the revolutionary nature of the thesis. Rather than state conclusions now in a positive manner it seems better only to raise some questions that suggest a need for further explanation."

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

What would happen if it was proven "Jehovah" did appear in the NT? Very little. Most Jehovah's Witnesses are so poorly informed, they already believe it is proven that it did appear in the NT, they are completely unaware of the dishonest way the subject has been presented by Watchtower.

People don't belong to religion because they care about whether the God's name is Jehovah, Allah or Geoffrey Jackson. They worship for the reward of an afterlife. Jehovah's Witnesses want the New System, and they would hang around for that carrot, whether YHWH is in the New Testament or not. They will hang around for paradise if the name is changed to Yahweh; even if Jehovah becomes Triune.

The bigger issues for Watchtower is the never ending delays in their doomsday predictions. The members are aging because young ones see little motivation in prophecies that refer to the 1900's, and are far more aware that the Bible itself is not inspired.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

There is no evidence that it appeared, at best there is circumstantial evidence that it may have been there.

Their argument that this means the divine name appeared in the original NT has been supported by scholars George Howard,...

This is also an over-exaggeration. How speculates that the name may have appeared in the NT, he does not state that his conjecture "means" it is was in the NT.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

jwfacts

There is a lot of fairly meaningless waffle in those points in an attempt that cover over that there is no evidence that Jehovah appeared in the New Testament. If it didn't, then the rest falls flat.

The topic of the word Jehovah is the one that Watchtower show draw upon more than any other to ensure their longevity, as it is a good differentiator from other religions. But it opens a can of words for anyone that comes to realize their dishonesty on adding Jehovah to the New Testament.

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Am I selfish?

by Jules Saturn in

tonight i had an argument with both my parents.

my parents are aware of my feelings towards the organization, and it saddens them because i am their first born son.

they had high expectations of me, my father dreamt of him and i serving together as elders.

jwfacts

Think it through. If they don't believe what you do, you will be willing to continue loving then and socializing with them. On the other hand, if you don't believe what they do, regardless of your reasoning why, you are likely to be verbally abused, looked down upon and shunned by them. So who is it that is being selfish?

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Watchtower says: if your unbelieving relatives think you are in a cult, try to see things from their point of view

by cognisonance in

12 have empathy for unbelieving relatives.

while we may be overjoyed about the bible truths we have learned, our relatives may mistakenly believe that we have been tricked or have become part of a cult.

we should show empathy by trying to see things from their viewpoint and by listening carefully to discern their real concerns.

jwfacts

by listening carefully to discern their real concerns.

This rules out former members, so they are referring to unbelieving relatives that do not know much about the religion.

I also find it appalling the idea of only trying to understand where someone else is coming from without a genuine interest or care in their viewpoint, but only to find a way to argue your case with them.

That nails it. The article is intended to show how to use this as an opportunity to convert a relative.