BTW, I used to love giving talks, but can't say I'd be much help for a sisters part. if I think of anything interesting that you could actually use I will send it through.
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HELP ME WITH MY TALK! DON'T MAKE ME BEG!
by stillAwitness intheme: what can we learn from jesus' family?
source material: student research
working on point #25: use of an outline- (basically making sure i don't read straight from my notes and my words flow)
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HELP ME WITH MY TALK! DON'T MAKE ME BEG!
by stillAwitness intheme: what can we learn from jesus' family?
source material: student research
working on point #25: use of an outline- (basically making sure i don't read straight from my notes and my words flow)
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jwfacts
How about:
- they did not push him to get baptised as a 12 year old, but let him wait till he was 30 to make up his own mind as a man.
- despite his family not all believing him to be the Christ they did not shun or stone him.
- they did not push him to spread the Jewish gospel worldwide, but encouraged an education
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I need help with a discussion with my parents!
by jwfacts inmy parents are on the circuit, well educated, well intentioned and totally committed to the wts.
for years i have argued with them over issues and doctrine.
they know most things that are wrong with the wts but refuse to budge on the idea that it is the only true religion.
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Thanks for the comments. The idea of discussing questions like "if it turns out you are wrong, will God destroy you for it?' and other questions of reason rather than doctrine should be far more effective. But being realist, little is likely to change in their minds, so I hold out no false hope.
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Did anything violent happen at the KH or Bookstudy when you were a JW?
by booker-t ini will never forget when i was a jw and was attending the bookstudy on a mon night a man broke into the bookstudy which was in the elder's garage and pulled out a gun.
he shot the father of the jw teenage girl he was secretly dating.
apparently the girl's father had forbidden her to date this non-jw man in his 40's.
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I had an experience at bethel that shocked me, as i had only been there a couple of months and going through the fitting in stage.
I was walking down the hall and an elder was approaching me from the other direction. He was about 10 years older than me, a confirmed bachelor, quite introverted and a long term bethelite, (who is still there 10 years later). I said hello Sparnzy, addressing him by his nickname that everyone referred to him by, but only behind his back as i quickly found out. He grabbed me by the throat, shoved me into the wall and said "I will kill you if you ever called me that again. My name is Br S...M.... I was a bit upset and eventually told his overseer. The reply was that he is a lot nicer than he used to be and not to worry about it.
A second incidence happened just today. A sister that i grew up with in another state has been sending me an email once a month or so asking me questions about the WTS. Today I received 2 extremely abusive emails from the irate husband that i replied to very carefully, who then forwarded the 4 emails on to an elder in his congregation. His wife then sent an email to the elder an me saying that he had just threatened to fly to my city and slit my throat and then go back and slit hers, but he will not for the sake of the kids. She does not know what to do.
I am really a very gentle person so i don't know why I attract this type of response from people.
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I just found this site....THANK GOD!
by confused_101 inok long story short i was baptized at 17 (because i felt pressured into it), and i was df about 2yrs ago i believe (i'm 27 now).
i wasn't at the final meeting, or any meeting about my dfing.
i had an elder call me twice at work and tell me that there was meeting that night.
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Welcome. You will find here that you are very normal. Just take your time. A lifetime of indoctrination takes time to get over, but after talking to others you will find things get better for you. You will love being able to finally think for yourself, weigh up evidence, and find a life course that is the one you are meant to follow. I hope I can help you along the way.
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Newly freed
by one of 12 ini have been viewing this site for the past three weeks or so and relate to alot thats been said.
i was born into the organisation, in a family of twelve children.
married for 22 years with 6 kids of our own.
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Great to hear from you. Your story has me intrigued. You are shunned for mental illness? Does that mean you are not d/f. It would be great to hear the details. I hope being here makes you feel better.
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I need help with a discussion with my parents!
by jwfacts inmy parents are on the circuit, well educated, well intentioned and totally committed to the wts.
for years i have argued with them over issues and doctrine.
they know most things that are wrong with the wts but refuse to budge on the idea that it is the only true religion.
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My parents are on the Circuit, well educated, well intentioned and totally committed to the WTS. For years i have argued with them over issues and doctrine. They know most things that are wrong with the WTS but refuse to budge on the idea that it is the only true religion.
They have noticed that lately i am at peace with myself after a year of absolute anger at finding the truth about the WTS and so they seem to think it is time to convert me back.They have asked for a discussion with me on Monday night. I agreed but stipulated that I will chair it and that i will not be sucked into fallacious rhetorical arguments. I also made clear that i understand what is wrong with the WTS, i will not be converted, so I will only talk to them if they truly want to know the truth. Where I need help is, how do i open their minds?
I know almost every JW doctrine inside out, i know why virtually every doctrine that disagrees with Christianity is either wrong, or unresolvable. But in the past in every discussion they push the WTS line without the slightest indication it could be wrong.
They know the dramatic changes - it is the light getting brighter
They know the double standard with blood - God will fix that
They know the UN scandle - they cant see why anyone thinks it is a big deal
They know about pedophilia (Dad has dealt with a number of cases himself) - but it is lucky were not as bad as the world
They know the failed prophecies - the light gets brighter
They know 607 - of course the WTS is correct
How do I unlock the mind?????
I am a sales executive and know the power of questions. I plan to run the meeting like a sales call. Ask a very thought provoking and make sure it is answered logically. I need a list of the most important questions. I also need an idea of how to make them understand how their mind works in regards to cognitive dissonance. I did ask Mum to consider before the discussion why she is convinced that she is correct when there are many equally sincere and educated people in other religions that are equally convinced that they are correct. What is it that is convincing them that they are correct and what is it that convinces her that she is correct, and how can a person distinguish that they are not the one with the wrong set of viewpoints?
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Hello Everyone From a Newby
by Apostate Kate ini just wanted to introduce myself.
i have read many threads here for several years, but never made a commitment to stick around.
tonight i understand why.
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great to hear from you. this board is really addictive, because it is great to finally be understood. I also love the depth of knowledge contained here.
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on a co-equal trinity and pagan holidays
by sweetscholar init's easy to see straws or beams or splinters in other people's eyes, and yet fail to notice the trunks and logs and things in our own eyes.
but anyway, about those emails.
there are points that are never really truly honestly addressed.
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Say something here, that you'd say in your JW active days
by JH ini'll start:.
hey brother smith, how about if we go preach the good news tomorrow morning, hey?
pick you up at 9
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Yes D Fed, the end is coming, and many Christians acknowledge that. They just don't need to use false prophecies to motivate their members. They feel that the motivation of love for God is enough.