We could round up all the homeless drunks. I am sure they would come if told there was free food and wine, the wine might be cheap but it must be better than that cask stuff they drink.
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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inbyathread, lol, that is so funny, and a bit of cheese sounds good.
What has stopped me doing anything too disrespectful so far is that I know if is probably counter productive. In Hobart cong the elders escorted an apostate out. He went to the newspaper and wrote an article about how he had been assaulted and physically pinned to the bonnet of his car by the elders. But none of those in the meeting seemed to care, just wrote him off as crazy. Another brother got up and took the microphone at Parramatta congregation which also caused a stir that was talked about for weeks, but the JWs use anything like that to reconfirm their faith.
Narkissos, I also think spirituality has been lost. I am reading a book by Joseph Campbell about the myth in all religion and he mentions that taking religion too academically misses the point. They stories and myths and acts like the memorial put a person in touch with spirituality and their inner being. By taking the bible very fundamentally and also denying the members partaking at the memorial the WTS has shredded the religion of almost any semblance of spirituality.
Ironclaw it would be great if a hold lot of us went and partook. It would really damage the statistics, but may also make the observers think more about what the point of the memorial is. -
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They have started to shun my JW wife!
by jwfacts inmy poor wife has been quite stressed knowing what to do with her life.
she has never been intellectually interested enough to study whether the wts is the truth, just went because it seemed the best way of life and her family and friends are in it.
when i stopped going she did not know what to do wanting to keep both me and the congregation happy, and becamed fairly irregular at meetings and field service.
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Thanks all, it certainly sounds like it is just normal behaviour, JWs operating as they are programmed to do.
Woodsman it is hard to know what to recommend because everyone is so different and different things affect them. I think fading is easier than being d/f. Now that I am d/f I feel so relieved and far better able to move on, but I have just started experiencing shunning first hand by close friends at it is so heartbreaking.
My wife rang a lot of her friends yesterday to tell them she is pregnant and I was happy to notice that she rang more non Witnesses than JWs. She is getting closer to her work mates even from prior jobs than to JW's, and that will help her greatly. -
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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Wednesday you are right, I dont know what i was drinking when i came up with this idea, but it was Italian and very cheap.
The brothers are all so well trained they would really think I was just another insane 'apostate' and it would not help my cause at all. -
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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In my spare time I an trying to tidy my writings up so that they are printable.
Mr Beaker, too true. They need to count all the crack pot annointed to explain why the end isn't here. Remember that the bible says (according to WTS interpretation) that on account of the annointed the days will be cut short, in other words, some of them have to be alive when the end comes. There are not that many pre 1935 ones left, it would only be a small portion of the 8,000 partakers, so they need to count all the other pseudo partakers just to esplain why God is still taking his time. -
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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Hi Montana96,
I have a site at jwfacts.com that is all about the WTS, but nothing really about myself. However I did write a book before i left it all that does go into some of the reasons I could no longer believe. Now that I am d/f I am thinking I might combine the personal stuff with the website and release it as a book.
I have so much to do at the moment. My real focus is alerting as many people as possible to this cult, through the legal system, press, internet what ever. But I need time to make sure I do it professionally, and am struggling with my job at the same time. I am very impatient, but it will fall together I am sure.
Your comment just made me think that I should also write about some of my experiences. I have always been highly energetic, a lover of people (a gossip), spiritual and rebellious, a shocking mix. However it means I have done so much in the organisation and know so many stories about what really goes on in peoples personal lives that it could also open many eyes to the reality of it all. Maybe that too would make a good addition to my book.
I had a pioneer partner that was a drug addict, I was physically assaulted by an elder at bethel, I knew a practicing homosexual that was appointed as a Ministerial servant. All these things were what originally opened my eyes to the fact that there is no holy spirit what so ever behind this organisation. -
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Help! My parents want to take my daughter to meetings!
by montana96 ini have a problem that im hoping you can all help me with.. my daughter who is now 11 was devastated when we left.
she loved it, our fault we did everything by th book.
she wants to go to the meetings with my parents.
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If you let her go occasionally and plant some seeds of doubt in her mind she will eventually choose not to want to go, and won't blame you for it.
Your idea of arranging fun times for her is the best thing to do. Make sure she develops friendships with non JWs. My 13yo still gets dragged along by her step mom and grandmother. At first she wanted to go, but now she hates it. As a teenager she has made good friends at school that she realises are better people than some of the hypocrites in the congregation.
Once she had school friends I started to ask if she thought it fair that God wanted to kill them. I then explained that God will not just let JWs into paradise. I explained that originally Russell said everyone would get into paradise, but than the new leader, called Rutherford said only JWs will be saved. At there age that sort of conversation generally makes it is pretty obvious that it is a senseless religion.
If you show that you still love her, life, god, paradise and fill her life with good she may soon forget all about the religion. (With your parents you need to be strict on them, You have as much right to shun them as they have to shun you. Make it clear that their relationship is conditional, conditional on not indoctrinating your daughter.) -
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They have started to shun my JW wife!
by jwfacts inmy poor wife has been quite stressed knowing what to do with her life.
she has never been intellectually interested enough to study whether the wts is the truth, just went because it seemed the best way of life and her family and friends are in it.
when i stopped going she did not know what to do wanting to keep both me and the congregation happy, and becamed fairly irregular at meetings and field service.
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My poor wife has been quite stressed knowing what to do with her life. She has never been intellectually interested enough to study whether the WTS is the truth, just went because it seemed the best way of life and her family and friends are in it. When I stopped going she did not know what to do wanting to keep both me and the congregation happy, and becamed fairly irregular at meetings and field service.
Never once did the elders arrange to speak to her to encourage her to keep going or to try to get my 13yo daughter to go. But I thought once I got disfellowshipped they may start pressuring her to keep going without me. So it has come as a surprise that they still have not spoken to her.
What is worse, and has really upset my wife is that some in the congregation have started to shun her, even though she is not d/f and never speaks about the WTS. She has been tossing up what to do and I see her becoming more and more disheartened with it all. What I could never do to her faith discussing doctrine the sisters are managing to do with their total hypocritical lack of love.
My 19yo son has been inactive for about three years but goes from time to time. He went to the convention, and now has an earing. No one went up to him to say how good it was to see him, but one brother approached him to discipline him for being so disrespectful to Jehovah. How is that for encouragement?
Even if the WTS does not go totally under in the next few years I think it will be so filled with selfrighteous powergrabbers that the genuine brothers will know it is time to search for real truth. -
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What do you think they'd do if I did this at the Memorial?
by jwfacts inthis year was going to be the first time in my life that i did not attend the memorial.
but i just thought of something that i would love to try out for a stir.
what do you think would happen if i skulled the entire glass of wine?
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This year was going to be the first time in my life that I did not attend the memorial. But I just thought of something that I would love to try out for a stir.
What do you think would happen if I skulled the entire glass of wine? Would they keep passing the empty glass around?
I remember handing the bread to an apostate once and he ate some, so we had this urgent discussion as to whether we should hand him the wine or try to skip him out. I have this terrible urge to go and when I get the wine go gulp, gulp, gulp till it is all gone and say "damn that was some cheap sh**". The congregation would be mortified. -
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Jehovah's Witnesses are an Old Testament Religion
by truthseeker inthere's no doubt about it.. i did an experiment last year, at the conventions, assemblies and meetings to determine how often the symbol of christianity, jesus christ, is actually mentioned, talked about and discussed.
with the exception of the memorial, and even that was more on the wine and bread than on christ himself, there are no talks devoted soley to jesus christ and the work he did.
watchtower will make vague references to christ to back up there claims, such as matt 24:14, "this good news..." and "go therefore and make disciples...".
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Very true. The reason the WTS is different from Christianity is their reliance on the OT in a number of ways.
The rules on disfellowshipping are often based on the OT. The NT gave less than 10 reasons for shunning, yet the JWs have over 30. Where did these others come from? Often the OT. For example, there is no mention of gambling being wrong in the bible, so the WTS refers to some vague OT principle of the God of Good luck and makes it a d/f offense. It uses the OT concept of stoning ones family to explain that we should shun family, the NT never mentions family in the shunning rules.
The word Jehovah never appears in the NT. The WTS felt it needed to make the OT and NT consistent on the use of this word, so include Jehovah in the NT in the NWT bible, rather than understand why Jesus did not use the word Jehovah.
That Jesus is not our Mediator is what I find one of the worst aspects of the WTS. By assigning the F&D slave this role is putting them in place of Jesus himself. By trying to marry to old and the new and promote Mosaic principles the whole message of the Ransom sacrifice is lost.