Posts by jwfacts

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Biblical verses my JW mom gave me for shunning

by bsand20 in

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john 2:9-11-anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister[a] is still in the darkness.

10 anyone who loves their brother and sister[b] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble.

11 but anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness.

jwfacts

Talk about a twisting of Scripture.

Luke 15:1-7- Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. 2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”

Here it shows that Jesus ate with sinners, exactly the opposite point you mum is making. Although it goes on to say they rejoice when a sinner returns does not change the fact that the Scripture shows eatting with sinners is ok.

In 1 Cor in says not to eat with a brother or sister that is engaging in some specific practices. I am not sure if you are engaging in whatever you were disfellowshipped for, but if you no longer claim to be a practicing JW then the Scripture does not apply.

There is a detailed article on why disfellowshipping is wrong at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php

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Expect more Crazy as JW.ORG trims the fat and fills the coffers.

by donuthole in

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when rutherford assumed the presidency of the watchtower society he instituted series of sweeping changes to the teachings and practices of the bible students.

some of these changes were at complete odds with what had been taught previously.

a key example was the elevation of the watchtower society as "god's visible organization on earth".

jwfacts

Donuthole, you make a great point that I have not thought of before. These days, financial viability is more important than growth. The doctrine do not lend themselves to a long term outlook. Major changes are required that would lead to many people leaving. However, that is what the religion needs. Provided they can keep onto the assets, they can get more financial growth through investments than they can from the growth coming in from the poor and third world countries.

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How old were you when you left the Watchtower - SURVEY

by usualusername in

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i believe that the older you are the harder it is to leave the watchtower.. .

i am attempting to get a list of ages people learnt the "truth" and what age they left.. .

uun.

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2 - 36. Started having serious doubts at 25 and hung around for way too long.

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I was "totally" stopped in my tracks by an "atheist" comment.

by booker-t in

i must admit i can at times be a little "egotistical" when it comes to knowledge and the bible.

i have studied the bible for so long and have always had a passion for the bible as a jw and as an ex-jw.

i guess that is all i have left when it comes to religion and as humans we do tend to stroke our egos.

jwfacts

In the story of Noah God murdered millions of babies and billions of animals as well. He could have had evil humans die in their sleep without a flood at all, and all that pointless loss of life. Then afterwards God regretted it, yet God is supposed to be all knowing and wise and knows the future, so surely he would have known he would feel regret and not do it in the first place. Of course it is just a story, and that is before we even start with the fact of the flood being a scientific impossibility.

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Would blood mgmt improvements have been made without firm stand of JW's

by berrygerry in

http://o.canada.com/news/national/blood-transfusions.

thoughts?.

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Nugget - Blood is expensive so economics would have forced change with or without witnesses.

Good point. On the flip side, pharmaceutical companies want a product they can patent, so they have a product they can sell.

Smiddy - I often wonder if any of these parents have since learned TTATT , or even if they have not learned TTATT , but have drifted away , left the religion , and regretted /felt remorse/or even guilty over their decision to agree with , and support the no blood policy of jehovahs witnesses , which has led to the death of their child.

I received an email from a mother whose son died in her arms after a car crash. She refused him a blood transfusion. Watching him die led her to realising it is not the truth. It was a devastating story and I am sure happens regularly.

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Am I a judgmental bastard or just one of the last sane persons on this planet?

by skeeter1 in

so, i happened to see a young lady.

she's about 13 or 14, can't be more than 16 years old.

fresh faced, rosy cheeks, and a little pudgy.

jwfacts

Those tatts on the old people look amazing. I always thought it would look tragic but instead it is a great reminder to young people that they too are tough, independant and cool.

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Would blood mgmt improvements have been made without firm stand of JW's

by berrygerry in

http://o.canada.com/news/national/blood-transfusions.

thoughts?.

jwfacts

Researchers were looking for bloodless alternatives well before the Watchtower banned blood. The part JWs play is offering people that are willing to die as trial subjects for non blood alternatives.

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The CO visit this week he says" In August..."

by James Jackson in

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up until 5 years ago, the co used to work up their own parts for specfic congregations in their circuits.

everything is up to script, in other words, every co in the country are givings the same talks in the local congregations they visit.

what got me to cringe is when he said at the meeting, trying to encourage everyone to pioneer this august; he said :" you know this october it will be 100 years since gods kingdom began ruling, remember what happen when joshua told the israelites to march around jericho on the seventh day, and what happened when they let out a great war cry?

jwfacts

The watchtower has become the furniture store that is going out of business for the 100 time.

I hate stores with the never-ending closing down sale. Yet the average JW keeps falling for it year after year. The WTS has provided that script because they know it will be a good source of motivation for this year, and the "sheep" will force it out of their memories by next year.

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JWs in a frenzy!

by leaving_quietly in

anyone else get the distinct impression that jws are being worked up into a frenzy with all the changes and activity nowadays?

by the end of august, there will have been four campaigns inside of a year.

one last november, a memorial campaign, a convention campaign and an advertise jw.org campaign.. then there's the conventions with all the hooplah around that with all the video, and the aggrandizement of synchronized gb talks.

jwfacts

I remember being in a frenzy in the 80s and 90s because of the generation doctrine. Now that is gone and 100 years have past there is not much left to motivate them. They can only use the 100 year anniversary of 1914 for a year or two. There is only so much that hours, magazine sizes and meetings can be reduced by. The GB can frenzy all they like in the short term, but longevity for the religion will require significant doctrinal changes. The 144,000 will be one of the first to come IMO.

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If the earth is going to burn up as Born Agains teach would that make Jesus a "false prophet"?

by booker-t in

as i have mentioned here for many years there are some things i totally disagree with the wt society on but one thing i do believe they have right is that the earth is going to last forever.

one thing that has always amazed me with born agains that teach the earth is going to burn up is the scripture where jesus says "the meek will inherit the earth".

this is clear and plain and why would jesus outright "lie" about the earth if he knew it was going to burn up?

jwfacts

Why does it make Jesus a false prophet? Where did he ever say that the earth would remain forever?