i'm not sure the whole 607 b.c.e.
controversy is really that major of a deal.. even if the society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the governing body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that world war ii and hitler was the beginning of the signs.. a much bigger issue is why they even say daniel's tree prophecy has an antitypical fulfillment, especially after their new light on types and antitypes..
A much bigger issue is why they even say Daniel's Tree Prophecy has an Antitypical Fulfillment, especially after their New Light on Types and Antitypes.
Good point. The other Daniel accounts do not have an antitypical fulfillment, so the onus of proof starts with showing that this particular one does. With their latest discussion about types and antitypes, I wonder how this will all pan out.
original thread here.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.
Wow, 277000 views in 14 hours. The power of social media is something Watchtower cannot beat.
i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.
i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.
also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.
jwfacts, Do you apply the same reasoning and logic to the government or to your friends or relatives?
Yes I do apply that same reasoning. My friends are those that I enjoy being with. I don't try to change toxic people, I just do not allow them in my life.
With government, I do what I can to have my say in the voting and judicial process. Australia has one of the world's best political systems, so unlike Watchtower, it can be tweaked for the better, rather than needs to be abandoned. My Grandfather was living in the 1950's in a Communist European country. He was so against it, that he left with nothing but his family, and resettled in Australia. So yes, what I said holds true for corrupt governments as well.
How is that any different from the way the Society has viewed apostates in the past, a viewpoint which most on here usually condemn?
That is a poor comparison. Watchtower unfairly attacks apostates as corrupt individuals. My comments do not attack individuals within the religion. I am attacking a corrupt belief system. That is a big difference.
I struggle to understand what you are trying to achieve and your motives. You have a range of threads suggesting how to fix Watchtower doctrine and practices. You are basically suggesting a new religion. Do you have aspirations to be a religious leader yourself? What you are doing is how new religions start. That is why there are over 35,000 religions. Individuals such as yourself take minor offence with the religion they belong to, slightly adjust the beliefs to their own liking, and before you know they are an apostate, and out creating a totally new belief system.
the "don't buy ice cream give us the money video" that is the subject of other threads.. i am not very good with computer stuff - would someone tell me where it is to be found on jworg please?
i can't find it.. thanks..
i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.
i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.
also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.
There is nothing Watchtower can change to justify the countless lives it has destroyed over the last 100 years. Even a positive change will not be able to redeem the religion and make it an organisation worthy of anyone belonging to. For instance, whilst it would be ideal if they removed the practice of shunning, they still:
If they changed all the bad, they would not be the same religion. There is no point congratulating small changes as a step in the right direction, as this is the sort of distraction used to justify the wrong and pretend things are improving when in reality they are not.
The concentration needs to be that it is a harmful religion that is beyond repair, and its followers are victims that need assistance to leave.
i remember the days when jws were proud of their religion, they walked tall and carried their big stick, their bibles, proudly.
now, it's embarrassing for a witness to admit their faith to others.
the average witness can't explain their beliefs, as they have changed so many times.
I'm too young to remember the early 70's, but that must have been an exciting time to be a JW. The 1980's were the glory days for me. The end was so certain, the generation almost up. The downward spiral started with the change of the generation teaching in 1995, and they just have not been able to reignite the "sheep" since then.
for some background, i am still in.
still an elder.
very much awake.
in the watchtower august 15 in the topic: "let the many islands rejoice" appears the following paragraph: .
then, however, it came time for a serious decision.
would i accept a scholarship to go to university?
Under the Australian system at that time, If he received a "school certificate" and left aged 15 it was at the end of year 10. To go to university you need to finish year 12 and get a "higher school certificate" in order to matriculate. It seems odd that he would have been offered a university scholarship with only a school certificate.
I loaded up year 11 with extra subjects and received my higher school certificate without going to year 12, but was the youngest person when I entered university. I still needed to get the higher school certificate though.
Who knows, maybe they were scouting for talented youth, and offered him a potential scholarship, but he would still have been required to finish his HSC before getting into university.
i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
Welcome, your story really moved me.
The freedom to think and believe whatever I wish is very precious to me now.
I have been out for 9 years now, and I still cherish that freedom to think, to research, and to let facts speak for themselves, rather than force them into a belief system where they do not fit.
from that nutty red book of insanity, the grand climax at hand book, chapter 22, paragraphs 7 & 8. .
i had my doubts since childhood.
i went along with it to please people.
The Isaiah book was the last for me and going to the book study. I could not bear sitting through such repetitive, baseless garbage.
The final straw at the book study was after a news report about JWs and pedophilia in Australia. The study conductor said it is all lies made up against Jehovah's people.
I thought how can I sit here listening to this brain dead fantasy book whilst real things like child abuse get swept under the carpet.
