Marvin Shilmer - coregation is good Aussie pronounciation.
Village Idiot - One other child would be sufficient for the two witness rule and they would likely find another since pedophiles are serial offenders.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum inaugust.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum inaugust.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
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jwfacts
I cannot believe how ignorant the elders are on their own teachings. The elder Rooy was stumped when questioned about why JWs don't stone adulterers since this is in Deuteronomy, along with the 2 witness rule. Rooy did not seem to understand what the point was. The correct Watchtower answer is that whilst the Mosaic law was done away by the Ransom sacrifice, at Matthew 18 Jesus reiterated the two witness rule. -
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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Nitty-Gritty I fail to understand how you can stand up for the Watchtower when its policies have been shown to be grossly lacking. It should not be relevant if it was as good as other churches at the time, since the religion touts being spirit directed. It claims its stance is actively directed by the Bible, Jesus, and Jehovah's spirit. Yet suddenly JWs are justifying that they were on par with the world, as if that is good enough. Your strong defence is indication that internally you know the Governing Body are just men and their rules are man made, all of which is evidence that you are following just another religion.
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Watershed moment???
by sparrowdown inwill this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.
do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
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It will be like the UN situation. Only some JWs will ever hear of it. Of those, most will dismiss it as lies, imperfection, the light gets brighter. And some will wake up. No watershed moment, but a step in the right direction for some. -
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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One point in the Watchtower favour that JWs no doubt will promote was that they released an Awake article that was informative about child abuse. It was very vague, as it was admitted that other religions had information prior to that regarding internal procedures, but the Awake was early for public information.
The comment was made that it is not really relevant, as the Awake information did not change the fact that Watchtower procedure is badly flawed, but I see JWs jumping on this as a strawman argument.
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Earthquakes in one place after another
by jws ini wonder what all of the fracking is doing to jws.
it's been shown that fracking causes earthquakes.
though the gas companies try to minimize this fact or say the earthquakes aren't significant, they are still happening.
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There are over 100,000 earthquakes a year that humans can detect, 500,000 that instruments detect. Fracking may be increasing that number, but it is not affecting JWs. A major earthquake that takes lives is what they concentrate on, and Fracking does not seem to cause an earthquake of that magnitude. -
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June 2015 Watchtower equating Apostates with The Antichrist!
by nicolaou inshit!
it finally happened.. years ago i speculated on this happening but can't find the posts.
anyway, this is a tactically aggressive move by wt.
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The article spreads the net very wide. They still label most Christian religions as part of the Antichrist for teaching the trinity, but do also include the word apostates, as noted by OP. -
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607 B.C. controversy
by FusionTheism ini'm not sure the whole 607 b.c.e.
controversy is really that major of a deal.. even if the society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the governing body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that world war ii and hitler was the beginning of the signs.. a much bigger issue is why they even say daniel's tree prophecy has an antitypical fulfillment, especially after their new light on types and antitypes..
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A much bigger issue is why they even say Daniel's Tree Prophecy has an Antitypical Fulfillment, especially after their New Light on Types and Antitypes.
Good point. The other Daniel accounts do not have an antitypical fulfillment, so the onus of proof starts with showing that this particular one does. With their latest discussion about types and antitypes, I wonder how this will all pan out.
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Young Girl Exposes Jehovah's Witnesses at school video goes VIRAL last 2 days 273,000 views
by Watchtower-Free inoriginal thread here.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.
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Wow, 277000 views in 14 hours. The power of social media is something Watchtower cannot beat.
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Damned if they do, Damned if they don't
by FusionTheism ini see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.
i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.
also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.
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jwfacts, Do you apply the same reasoning and logic to the government or to your friends or relatives?
Yes I do apply that same reasoning. My friends are those that I enjoy being with. I don't try to change toxic people, I just do not allow them in my life.
With government, I do what I can to have my say in the voting and judicial process. Australia has one of the world's best political systems, so unlike Watchtower, it can be tweaked for the better, rather than needs to be abandoned. My Grandfather was living in the 1950's in a Communist European country. He was so against it, that he left with nothing but his family, and resettled in Australia. So yes, what I said holds true for corrupt governments as well.
How is that any different from the way the Society has viewed apostates in the past, a viewpoint which most on here usually condemn?
That is a poor comparison. Watchtower unfairly attacks apostates as corrupt individuals. My comments do not attack individuals within the religion. I am attacking a corrupt belief system. That is a big difference.
I struggle to understand what you are trying to achieve and your motives. You have a range of threads suggesting how to fix Watchtower doctrine and practices. You are basically suggesting a new religion. Do you have aspirations to be a religious leader yourself? What you are doing is how new religions start. That is why there are over 35,000 religions. Individuals such as yourself take minor offence with the religion they belong to, slightly adjust the beliefs to their own liking, and before you know they are an apostate, and out creating a totally new belief system.