Posts by jwfacts

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what happens when one informs elders that one's baptism was invalid?

by quincemyles in

is it possible to move from baptized publisher to unbaptized status perpetually?

what do elders do when you inform them that your baptism was invalid?

jwfacts

I have known of a couple of cases, but it is very unlikely to work for most people.

In one case, the person was gambling before and after baptism. They pleaded the case that they had not been baptised with the correct understanding, and got baptised again.

The second one was a person with mental illness that was engaged in wrongdoing before and after baptism. It was decided that due to her circumstances the baptism had never been valid and they just let her leave.

I unsuccessfully tried the get an annulment. The results are here http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/grundy.php.

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Paul Grundy

by Lozza Aussie in

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hi all, been a while since i posted here.

i am in australia and heard paul grundy being interviewed by someone on abc radio in sydney.

it was good to put a voice to the guy on jw facts.

jwfacts

Thanks for the kind comments. Here is a link to the podcast.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/08/21/4297526.htm

The podcasts get over one million downloads and the live radio interview has hundreds of thousands of listeners. I could not believe how many people I knew regularly listen to the show and contacted me after hearing it.

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Look out for a new congregation position for elders wives: Helper to the Elders

by Splash in

geoffrey jackson spent 20 minutes accepting the position that it is not scripturally prohibited for women to be used in the investigation process, although probably not the jc itself (he said he'd check the scriptures on that bit, but we can guess the outcome).. look out for the wives of elders jostling for and gaining these positions.

there will be no better opportunity for gossip mongers to raise their status in the congregation than being officially involved in the intimate private business of others in the congregation.. think of the power they will have in advising the elders on a jc if she thinks the victim is credible, with her opinion, bias and embellishments on the details.

i wouldn't fancy the chances of a victim who has previously fallen out with one of these 'helpers'.. whatever next, sisters handling microphones??!

jwfacts

I was impressed with this recommendation so it is interesting to see this alternative point of view.

At the end of the day, virtually no JW is trained for such situations and it is imperative that an accusations are referred to trained authorities to establish the facts.

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

by sparrowdown in

q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

jwfacts

I attended today and had some very interesting conversations. As much as the JWs will gloat over how much better GJ did than those that preceded him, the attendants were very frustrated at his evasive and baseless answers.

McClellan is particularly unimpressed by Watchtowers opinion of women. It will be interesting to see how he frames his recommendations.

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Do video games cause bad behaviour in children?

by The Rebel in

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my boy is 10 and has got very interested in pocamon cards.

( a game way to complicated for me to understand) but i've also noticed it's linked to a computer game, which seems harmless enough but i also noticed advertisements for more violent games appear.. i would value people's opinion on whether, you think video games cause bad behaviour in kids.

i should mention my kid says i limit his time on these games, much more than other children's parents, and i was thinking of reevaluating that rule.. thanks.. the rebel..

jwfacts

Kids need something to make the hours go by. When I was a kid everyone was so worried about watching tv. Now its video games, or the internet. I was just in Cuba, and they are too poor to have video games so the kids play marbles in the dirt. I don't really see any difference between each of these activities. However, there should be some time limits, and encouragement to do physical activities as well.

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What is their official explanation for not allowing beards?

by keyser soze in

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i ask because my gf, who knows all about my jw upbringing, convinced me to grow a goatee, just to see how it looks.

we both decided it looked good so i decided to keep it.

i tried to explain to her that as a jw, i wasn't allowed to grow one, but then drew a blank when she asked me why.

jwfacts

Here is a comprehensive article on JWs and beards - jwfacts.com/watchtower/beards-jehovahs-witnesses.php

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leaving_quietly - that is a interesting photo. It is not quite a beard, but amazing that they expect the resurrected to comply with today's fashion. Why not the fashion of Moses, or Jesus, or Adam?

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Drum Article written by JWFacts

by Listener in

here's a link written by paul grundy and presented by abc the drum.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-10/grundy-flaws-in-jehovahs-witness/6680286 .

jwfacts

@besty - a selfie is a great idea. Maybe a bit hard to pull off, I'm not one of his young female admirers that he will be willing to pose with. I will need to arrange a photographer .

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Gross hypocrisy in September 15, 2015 Watchtower

by Island Man in

ask any jw the question "why do jehovah's witnesses impose their views on others?

we do not impose our views on anyone!".

do you impose your views on others?

jwfacts

Good point.

On another note, this article is going to stumble a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses. I know many that are in these pyramid schemes, including some that make a very wealthy living off them.

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"And what happened next was simply unbelievable!"

by Terry in

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i always sit in the same spot, just outside starbucks in a vestibule area with a table in the air-conditioned space.

i say "always," but not today.. somebody with two laptops and a table filled with business ledgers was in "my" favorite spot!.

so, i took a tiny wooden table inside the coffee shop on a long padded bench next to 3 other identical tables.. as the clickbait banner ads like to say: "and what happened next was simply unbelievable!".

jwfacts

Love it.

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Drum Article written by JWFacts

by Listener in

here's a link written by paul grundy and presented by abc the drum.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-10/grundy-flaws-in-jehovahs-witness/6680286 .

jwfacts

stuckinarut2 I attended one of the days. Interesting and emotional for me to see O'Brien and Toole, as I have quite a history with them. I have to say they both looked shattered, which made me grateful for how well my life has progressed since leaving.

I will try to attend if Jackson is there. Would love to say hi, and shake his hand. It will probably be difficult to get in though, as I am sure there will be a large group of admirers wanting to see him.