A very good article and the figures calculated are reasonable, erring on the side of caution. I mentioned this on a radio interview recently. Because the deaths happen silently and over a longer span of time, there is not the outrage and attention that Jonestown received, despite the net affect being far higher and ongoing.
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New Research at AJWRB
by Lee Elder inthe latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.
the numbers are staggering.
http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.
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Quotes: "Since 1914 and 1918 enemies have become more vicious"
by TheWonderofYou inthis is a proof for 1914!.
enemies, .
https://archive.org/stream/enemiesbyjudgerutherford1937/1937-enemies#page/n11/mode/1up.
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Another comment to prove Rutherford a fraud.
In Bible times, the Israelites were instructed to commit genocide. Well not quite, the Israelite soldiers were allowed to keep the virgins to rape. Through most of history, war has resulted in the enemies being slaughtered, including civilians and soldiers. Look at war now. If a civilian is accidentally killed in war, it is a major scandal.
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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name
by slimboyfat injehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.
but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .
i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.
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Surely not killing each other is a very basic Christian requirement.
How? Christianity accepts the Bible, not just a few choice quotes from Jesus, and killing non believers is a key message of the Bible.
On another track, the concept of pacifism is impossible without a dominant force the protect the pacifists, and JW's would not exist if it were not for Christians that have used violence to protect their freedom.
This is a totally different topic though.
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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name
by slimboyfat injehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.
but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .
i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.
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jwfacts I was agnostic leaning toward atheism. Now I'm agnostic leaning toward belief in God. I'm really not sure what to believe but I think there must be something bigger than ourselves and that JWs have good points as well as bad points.
It is true that JWs have good points. I would argue that every organisation has good points. Even the most violent totalitarian system offers community, purpose and brotherhood. The leader may offer good direction in health advise, moral guidelines etc.
There are many great reasons to be a Jehovah's Witness, but I would never recommend a person join. There are numerous other groups to direct a person to. The reason that you concentrate on JWs is it is your comfort zone, and area of expertise. Yet Watchtower is high control group that uses coercive persuasion, and as such is a dangerous group. The fact that they stole a lucky guess about 1914, have an interesting but unrealistic perspective on war, and may (or may not) be correct about using the Divine name does not make up for the destructive force they have been in millions of lives.
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There are only 4 ways to leave the Jehovah's Witnesses
by new boy inthere are only four ways of leaving the jehovah’s witnesses.
so there are four ways that could lead to shunning.
i say “could” because options three and four has some loopholes.
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Alanv- Fading doesnt need to be a tricky one.
I don't agree. Fading means you will still be shunned by most of your friends. You will also need to constantly be aware of what you are doing that may be observed and get you disfellowshipped for many years to come.
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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name
by slimboyfat injehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.
but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .
i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.
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Phoebe, do not be confused by this thread. The opening post is a thought experiment, by a poster that does not believe in Jehovah or the infallibility of the New Testament. He does not believe the outlandish claims he made about this being a topic that vindicates Jehovah's Witnesses, all I can imagine is that he is playing devil's advocate. It is unfortunate that the way SBF's opening post was framed was irresponsible, and has affected you.
If it turned out that the Divine name appeared in some original manuscripts of New Testament books, it would not vindicate Watchtower, and would end up creating other theological issues around their interpretation about the nature of God.
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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???
by James Mixon ingluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???
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Disfellowshipping for gluttony has the same issues as disfellowshipping for drunkenness. When is it gluttony? When is it drunkenness?
Despite the difficulty in establishing a specific point, there are extreme cases that are beyond question. JWs are disfellowshipped for drunkenness, so there is no legitimate reason why JWs are not disfellowshipped for gluttony. It is a hypocritical double standard.
That said, Watchtower's practice of disfellowshipping is evil, and I am not advocating gluttons, alcoholics, or anyone for that matter should be disfellowshipped and shunned, but simply that this is yet another area that shows Watchtower's duplicity.
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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name
by slimboyfat injehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.
but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .
i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.
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SBF - Obviously I don't think Jehovah approves of all modern JWs have done just as he didn't approve every king or action of ancient Israel. Or that being a JW is necessary for survival.
SBF, you are an atheist. Why are you pretending otherwise for the sake of this thread?
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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???
by James Mixon ingluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???
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I've know some incredibly obese JWs but never known one to be disfellowshipped. It is the ultimate in hypocrisy, since an obese person will die earlier than a smoker, and gluttony is mentioned in the Bible as a son whereas smoking is not.
Whilst my father was a Curcuit Overseer he did prevent one brother from being appointed as a Ministerial Servant on the basis of gluttony.
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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name
by slimboyfat injehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.
but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .
i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.
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Steve2 - Jesus is the name that should be used to expel demons. The emphasis on Jehovah by Watchtower makes JWs lose focus on the message of the New Testament
Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"