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  who has been out the longest?

  by stan livedeath in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  who has been out of the cult the longest ?.

  i'll start--i resigned in 1971, but attended occasionally as a non-interested husband to keep the wife sweet, untill my last circuit assembly in autumn 1980. no connection with the cult since then.

  so--its either 47 or 38 years, depending on how you see it.. which begs the question--why am i on this site now ?.

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  For those of you that left just prior to 1975, why? Didn't you think that just in case it is true you should wait until after 1975?
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  A non-Witnes who accepts 607 BC?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an eyebrow raiser to be sure.

  i can understand the clergyman being so baptist that he'd still use the name jehovah since it was popular in english and german churches for a long time during and after the reformation, but 607?.

  see ¶ 6 under the heading "the historicity of the book of daniel".

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  607 is likely taken from Watchtower publications, as it is so intrinsically tied to 1914, and neither history or the Bible. 607 works back from 537, which is a Watchtower date, made up when Watchtower realized 1914 was wrong due to their being no year 0. Instead of change to 1915, they moved 606 to 607, and then 536 to 537.

  607 doesn't naturally flow from the end of 70 years, as Watchtower states, since Babylon was destroyed in 539 and Jeremiah 25:12. shows the 70 years end with the fall of Babylon.
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  They have a point...

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week in the sunday meeting a sister made a comment and collapsed, a massive heart attack.

  one of the young brothers is a fireman and he gave her mouth mouth and according to the doctor this saved her life.

  so if she had missed the meeting that day she would have surly died because her husband is not in great health.

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  not forsaking the assembling of ourselves.
  

  That is a vague statement. No indication of how often, where at, or what for.
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  They have a point...

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week in the sunday meeting a sister made a comment and collapsed, a massive heart attack.

  one of the young brothers is a fireman and he gave her mouth mouth and according to the doctor this saved her life.

  so if she had missed the meeting that day she would have surly died because her husband is not in great health.

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  I knew a JW mother and wife that was run over and killed outside a kingdom hall on memorial night. So it shows how important it is to never attend a memorial.
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  Highlights from Leaked Bethel Videos - part 6, Brooklyn tunnels

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's some pictures of the tunnels that used to connect the various bethel buildings after they stopped being used, as well as a diagram.. .

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  How did they get council approval to tunnel under roads, since they didn't own that land? I thought only public utilities companies could gain legal rights.
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  "You owe Jehovah humility and HONESTY" - an email from a JW

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey forum goers.

  i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.

  bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.

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  WT exegesis
  

  That is a bit of a faux pas. In Watchtower's case it is Eisegesis.
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  Help me with the disfellowshipping topic, how is it NOT scriptural

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many have said that jesus never shunned anyone.

  yet it seems that the apostle paul said to shun an unrepentant sinner, "stop keeping company" and "not even eating with such a man" 1co 5:9-12. it seems like shunning is what paul wanted us to do.

  but honestly, it doesn't seem right to me.

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  Sir82's post is excellent, showing that the Bible discusses "marking" people that do not adhere to Christian standards, even restricting association, but not complete isolation and shunning of that person. Watchtower has created a policy that does not appear in the Bible, and introduced the word disfellowship for that policy.

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php has a section that shows the numerous ways that Watchtower applies its practice of disfellowshipping beyond the Bible.
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  JW's are slaves- but not in a good way

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading about the american slave trade again recently.

  as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.

  every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.

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  The GB should be renamed “the Faithful and Discreet Slave Owners.”
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  Let's talk business ...

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.

  most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.

  so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.

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  Sales is the highest paid job that often does not require a degree to get into. JWs are highly trained in sales. The word persistence is one of the key words that defines a successful sales person, and no one is more persistent than a JW that tried to sell God week in week out since the first time they opened their mouth.

  I'm not sure with the new format CLAM though, it seems a lot of the sales training from the old TMS has gone.
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  non jehovah witness dinner

  by whatisthis12 in

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  2. relationships

  so almost two weeks ago, my boyfriend(who was disfellowshiped) went to the memorial.

  he hasn’t spoken to his parents, friends, or siblings for over a year because of it.

  the only person he keeps in contact with is his grandma, which is who he went along with.

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  he was telling me the whole time his parents were just telling him the reasons why they can’t talk to him, and why they have blocked him, trying to get him to see where they are coming from. trying to get him to see their truth.
  

  Whilst I am sure that is what they did, it is total nonsense that they needed to do so. He knows exactly why they don't talk to him, as he has also been indoctrinated by their religion. There are no good reason why they cannot talk to him; it is unnatural and unscriptural. They mindlessly would have parroted Watchtower propaganda that shunning is loving, and it is to help him come back to Jehovah. What they didn't say is that deep down they know what they are doing is wrong but they don't have any choice in the matter.