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  To rado: When the Watchtower fight against France

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this discussion is poorly translated in english.

  i have lost the different color of text too.. if someone could help me to translate better this article, see the original text in.

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/milstract.html.

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  chasson

  Hi metatron,

  will the judgement against them be upheld?

  As far as i understand, it is impossible, even if the JW would be recognised as a 1905's association, this is not retroactive (?? french's word ???)
  Second, the JW are trying to take action in the European's Comission but this comission is not concerned by tax and even if the JW could win here, the European's comission could not oblige France to change its decision.

  It is interesting to talk about how the french's JW association has no money comparing to england or United States JW, i think they have planified to have no money to cry as victims.

  Perhaps i could try to write something in english about that..

  Bye

  Charles
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  To rado: When the Watchtower fight against France

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this discussion is poorly translated in english.

  i have lost the different color of text too.. if someone could help me to translate better this article, see the original text in.

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/milstract.html.

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  chasson

  hi again metraton

  Look at my answer to Skully here to understand better the french's law upon association:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23000&page=2&site=3

  Bye

  Charles
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  When did Battle of Carchemish take place?

  by badboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's a very good question to stump a jw(hope i have spelled the place right?!).

  it says in my niv study bible it toke place c.609 bc so therefore the fall of jerusalem toke place approxiametly(sic)20 years later according to the bible.. if you say carchemish toke place in 627,`can you provide evidence of this?

  ' might be a good question to a jw.

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  chasson

  Oh scholar, only Ad Hominem attacks ??

  Bye

  Charles
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  When did Battle of Carchemish take place?

  by badboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's a very good question to stump a jw(hope i have spelled the place right?!).

  it says in my niv study bible it toke place c.609 bc so therefore the fall of jerusalem toke place approxiametly(sic)20 years later according to the bible.. if you say carchemish toke place in 627,`can you provide evidence of this?

  ' might be a good question to a jw.

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  chasson

  The battle at Carchemish took place in 625 BCE whereupon Nebuchadnezzar defeated Pharaoh Necho at that place.

  Oups, Alan a little work for you ;-)

  Bye

  Charles
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  To rado: When the Watchtower fight against France

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this discussion is poorly translated in english.

  i have lost the different color of text too.. if someone could help me to translate better this article, see the original text in.

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/milstract.html.

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  chasson

  Wow!, how can mainstream churches survive with that kind of
  tax? How do Catholics and others raise enough cash to pay
  the bills?

  Hi metraton,

  You have missed the point, the mainstream's churches are often under the 1905's law and they are exempted from taxes.

  Some association of mainstream's churches are under 1901's law but they didn't have problems on Social Security on other taxes as JW had. This is because the JW still forgetted to pay some taxes, that the french's IRS has made further research.

  French's JW are not under the 1905"s law, so they must payed the tax..

  Bye

  Charles
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  To rado: When the Watchtower fight against France

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this discussion is poorly translated in english.

  i have lost the different color of text too.. if someone could help me to translate better this article, see the original text in.

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/milstract.html.

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  chasson

  That is correct, Metatron - and the French association therefore muct pay 60 % because it has reported to the authorities the donations and presented records or receipts. Had they not, they would not have been taxed.

  This is a law of 1991, other associations than JW have had the same problem, for example a frech's actress, Brigitte Bardot has donate the money of a house that she has selled to his association for animals, she must payed 60%..

  Bye

  Charles
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  To rado: When the Watchtower fight against France

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this discussion is poorly translated in english.

  i have lost the different color of text too.. if someone could help me to translate better this article, see the original text in.

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/milstract.html.

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  chasson

  Hi OldHippie,

  This interpretation with have serious repercussions for associations as a whole who receive manual gifts and who record them. Perfectly aware of the consequences of its decision, the Appellate Court of Versailles, as is excusing itself, affirms: "it is not the prerogative of the judge to reform or modify the law, no matter how inadequate it may be." (p. 13 of the judgement).

  Right, this is a stupid law, but as far as i know other association, they are clearly informed about this law and try to have money in other way than donation as for example card's members, or charity's gathering, etc... To stop this law or to reform it, JW would must make politic.

  Bye

  Charles
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  Translation Of French WTS Letters Requested

  by MadApostate in

  1. social
  2. current

  october 2001. .

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  november 2001. .

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  Hi madapostate,

  Doesn't the November 2001 Letter include some info about AidAfrique's activities?

  True, i was talking only of the first letter.

  The second letter talked about the victory of JW in September 2001 concerning if Bethel's members are "ecclesiastic" or not. In a first trial, it was denying to them and in september 2001, the court has concluded that member's of Bethel are "ecclesiastic", unfortunatelly this is untrue, because their association was denied the right to consdired as a religious community like catholic's monastery. The procuror has appeled this decision, now.

  The big problem is if bethel's member are not considered as workers but as ecclesiastic, the "Work's law" must not be applied to them. So they can work all the time they want, be not paid, one of the only rules they have to obey, is to payed the Social Security ( something they have not made before 1997)

  What it is interesting in this letter concerning Aidafrique, is this phrase:

  "By the relief achemined in this country (Africa), the comities try to distribute the relief to help brothers and their families to survive."

  We all know that Aidafrique now is an humanitarian's association as others who help not only JW, even in Vietnam, but when they present this to rank and file, they must tried to emphasize that Aidafrique is mainly for JW...

  Where is the true ? Are they lying to govnerment when they try to show that JW are interested to help not only JW ? Or are they lying to the rank and file ?

  Bye

  Charles
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  France fines Watchtower Millions

  by JAVA in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the other day my spouse heard a report on npr about the french government fining the watchtower millions of us dollars (40 million?

  ) for the so-called contributions they squeeze out of people.

  did anyone reading this hear that report?

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  Hi scully,

  There is some obscure French law about the publication and distribution of literature as being a commercial venture rather than a religious one. Therein lies the "sect" label for JWs in France.

  Not exactly Scully, you have in France, several way to record your association.

  First, you can record your association under the 1901's law. You declare that your association is a non profit's association. This is the most common way to build an association and a lot of cultural and sport's association are declared under this law and a lot of religious's association too.

  Second, if your association has uniquely the purpose of worship, that it is only designed to maintain a place of worship, you can declared your association under the 1905's law, BUT this is not because you are DECLARED under the 1905's law that you are RECOGNISED as a 1905's association by the government.

  When you are RECOGNISED by the government as a 1905's association, you can be exempted of certain tax as the local taxes and the taxes on free gift or testimonial's gift.

  To be recognised as a 1905's association you must not trouble the public's order. In 1985, the French's high court, the States Counsil has found that the french's JW:

  1/ Trouble the public's order because the ban of blood transfusion
  2/ Even if they didn't trouble the public's order, a 1905's association is not concerned by publishing thousand of books and booklet. A 1905's association is an association for maintaining place of worship or for example a monastery, not to distributed all over the country thousand of book. Remember at this time, the books were not free, and the States's counsil has considered this as commercial's activity that don't qualify the french's association to be recognised as 1905's association.

  So, because the french's association is not a 1905's association, they must payed all the taxes as a 1901's association, because when you are not recognises as a 1905's association, you are in fact a 1901's association.

  Bye

  Charles
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  France fines Watchtower Millions

  by JAVA in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the other day my spouse heard a report on npr about the french government fining the watchtower millions of us dollars (40 million?

  ) for the so-called contributions they squeeze out of people.

  did anyone reading this hear that report?

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  Hi SixofNine

  Has anyone read exactly how the French court decided the difference between a religion and a sect?

  In fact, in the law, there are no difference between religion and cult. The word "cult" is only a simplification.

  Now, you have a new law to restrict liberty of groups which have been comdamned two times in court, and a new definition of "subjection's state" (mind control)in the law...

  The french's commission in 1995 has made a list of religious group that did not respect the law or who troubled public's order and JWs were in this list because the ban of blood's transfusion but now this list is obsolete.

  Now, JW are not considered as a VERY dangerous cult, the french's mils considered them as a cult which we can talk and negociate, the problem's that the Mils underline is still the ban of blood's transfusion and the unkindly treatment of "apostate"..

  Bye

  Charles