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  Consolation on Demand

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .

  here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.

  this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".

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  New Scans:

  Consolation August 21, 1940

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  Consolation December 20, 1944

  Bye

  Charles
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  Consolation on Demand

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .

  here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.

  this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".

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  New Scans:

  Consolation August 21, 1940

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  Consolation December 20, 1944

  Bye

  Charles
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  5000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS OF JW PEDOPHILE CASES AVAILABLE! B ANDERSON BOOK

  by Seeker4 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  barbara anderson has just released a new book on cd that contains some 5000 pages of public court records from the nine lawsuits involving 16 victims that the wts settled secretly in may of this year, plus documents from two other cases the society settled in 2000 and 2006.. .

  its called secrets of pedophilia in an american religion: jehovahs witnesses in crisis.. .

  the book, and more info from barbara about it, is available here:.

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  YES !!! It is arrived today, thanks to Nathan Nathas for his help !!! Bye Charles
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  John Denham Parsons and the cross/stauros issue

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in a lot of articles of the watchtower concerning the cross/stauros issue is cited a book called "the non-christian cross" from john denham parsons.. perhaps it has still been talked here, but i have made some google search and i have found that this men has written another book called "the nature and purpose of the universe" speaking about reincarnation and other 'spiritist' topics, this man was member of the society for psychical research in 1905. you can find what this society was here.. so as m. greber for the nwt, is this another case of a "spirit-medium" who has served as reference for the watchtower ?.

  bye.

  charles.

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  Well for example, M. Parsons when he quote Livy (28:29,11) has seriously mixed the latin word crux with the latin word palus. It is really important because this is an argument that the writer of the Watchtower has taked from Parsons. They have tried to show that before Constantin the latin word 'crux' mean simply a 'stake', and that the writings of Livy show this meaning, without citing them explicitly.

  In fact the Watchtower's writer cites Parson:

  "A reference, for instance, to the writings of Livy, will show that in his time the word crux, whatever else it may have meant, signified a single piece of wood or timber; he using it in that sense" (The Non-Christian Cross Chapter II)

  The quote of Parsons is Livy Chapter 28 par. 29, here it is in french, sorry:

  "on les traînait nus au milieu de la place; en même temps, on montrait tous les préparatifs du supplice; les condamnés furent attachés au poteau (palus in latin and not cross), battus de verges et frappés de la hache, tandis que la crainte paralysait à tel point les assistants, qu'on n'entendit pas un mot un peu fier contre la rigueur de la peine, ni même un gémissement. (12) " Livy

  So Parsons and the Watchtower's writers who has cited Parsons (without mentionned it) are terribly false, Livy made the difference between stake (palus) and cross (crux), here an exemple in the same chapter where crux is used instead of palus (still in french):

  tandis que les gens de Gadès rejetaient la faute sur une ruée de la foule, irritée par certains pillages commis par les soldats qui s'embarquaient, il attira à une entrevue les sufètes (ce sont les plus hauts magistrats chez les Carthaginois) et le questeur de Gadès, les fit battre de verges et mettre en croix (cross and not palus); (3) puis il passa avec ses vaisseaux dans l'île de Pityusa, éloignée de cent milles environ du continent; des Carthaginois l'habitaient alors. (4)

  1/ Livy has not used cross in place of "stake" as Parsons said and the Watchtower's writers after him.

  2/ On the opposite, Livy has clearly show a difference between a stake (palus) and a cross (crux) in latin.

  Bye

  Charles
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  John Denham Parsons and the cross/stauros issue

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in a lot of articles of the watchtower concerning the cross/stauros issue is cited a book called "the non-christian cross" from john denham parsons.. perhaps it has still been talked here, but i have made some google search and i have found that this men has written another book called "the nature and purpose of the universe" speaking about reincarnation and other 'spiritist' topics, this man was member of the society for psychical research in 1905. you can find what this society was here.. so as m. greber for the nwt, is this another case of a "spirit-medium" who has served as reference for the watchtower ?.

  bye.

  charles.

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  Look at his theory concerning Jesus as a Sun-God in 1896.

  Bye

  Charles
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  John Denham Parsons and the cross/stauros issue

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in a lot of articles of the watchtower concerning the cross/stauros issue is cited a book called "the non-christian cross" from john denham parsons.. perhaps it has still been talked here, but i have made some google search and i have found that this men has written another book called "the nature and purpose of the universe" speaking about reincarnation and other 'spiritist' topics, this man was member of the society for psychical research in 1905. you can find what this society was here.. so as m. greber for the nwt, is this another case of a "spirit-medium" who has served as reference for the watchtower ?.

  bye.

  charles.

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  chasson

  In a lot of articles of the Watchtower concerning the cross/stauros issue is cited a book called "The Non-christian Cross" from John Denham Parsons.

  Perhaps it has still been talked here, but i have made some google search and i have found that this men has written another book called "The Nature and Purpose of the Universe" speaking about reincarnation and other 'spiritist' topics, this man was member of the Society for Psychical Research in 1905. You can find what this Society was here.

  So as M. Greber for the NWT, is this another case of a "spirit-medium" who has served as reference for the Watchtower ?

  Bye

  Charles
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  The Olin R. Moyle court transcript--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the olin r. moyle court transcript pdf (128-mb--2,004 pages, computer page counter will not match transcript page numbers) (credit for these quotes go to barbara anderson and free minds)http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbdiscovery.htm according to the trial transcript, moyles problems began after he wrote a personal letter to rutherford in which he expressed his aversion to rutherfords excessive drinking and extremely abusive behavior to others, behavior which he personally observed and heard complaints about.

  and arthur worsley, a long-time bethel staff member well-known to kelly and reusch, was one of the people who complained to moyle about the indignities heaped upon him by rutherford.

  rutherford was so incensed by moyles criticisms he dismissed moyle and his wife from bethel and placed their personal effects out on the sidewalk.

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  As requseted by Cabasilas, the Consolation's page concerning Moyle in the December 20 1944 issue:

  http://cchasson.free.fr/deposit/moyle.pdf

  Bye

  Charles
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  Consolation on Demand

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .

  here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.

  this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".

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  A new one:

  Consolation October 19, 1938

  Bye

  Charles
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  Study shows Jehovah's Witnesses heart surgery patients do better than patie

  by whereami in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this was sent to me by a jw, trying to convince me how correct they are to refuse blood.

  it's one of those, "see i told you we were wright" things.

  enjoy.

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  They were not right because the new guidelines have included auto-transfusion, and have reduced blood transfusion (not replaced blood transfusion) See http://news.uky.edu/news/display_article.php?artid=2302 Bye Charles
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  Golden Age Goodies

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

  i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

  hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

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  chasson

  I will scanned now my "Consolation" collection, now.
  
  Bye
  
  Charles