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  The Discoveries of Barbara Anderson in french

  by chasson in

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  a friend of mine has made the traduction, if someone is interested to read it in french: .

  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/barbara_anderson .

  bye .

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  chasson

  A friend of mine has made the traduction, if someone is interested to read it in french:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Barbara_Anderson
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  The UN is on the verge of banning religion - JWs favorite rumor

  by VM44 in

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  2. beliefs

  the un is on the verge of banning religion.. why is this rumor constantly being brought up by the jws?.

  the un does not have the power to ban religion, such an act would go against its very charter and its declaration of human rights.. many of the member nations are islamic and would never vote to ban religion as it would undermine their own very existence.. so the idea that the un would or could ban or even consider banning religion is unrealistic.

  never going to happen.. but the jws have been whispering that "the un is going to ban religion" for decades....why?

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  chasson

  Leolaia, i don't think that Knorr has dropped to quickly the believe that the "new" League of Nation would be totalitarian, in the booklet "Peace can it last", the two possibilities are still here (a negociated peace between the axis power and the allies or still a totalitarian league because the catholic church is behind the totalitarian governments) . Knorr (or Franz) has only said that the Catholic Church will be the leader in making this new league unfortunatelly, this only real prediction in this booklet was false, as the prediction that this new league will quickly persecuted the JW.
  
  See in french a sum-up of this booklet: http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/La_paix_de_demain_sera-t-elle_de_longue_dur%C3%A9e%3F
  
  Even more, the book published in 1942 is more precised pages 343,344 (The New World):
  
  
  " Be it noted that "the king of the south"
  has disappeared from prophecy following
  verse forty . This is ominous . It suggests with
  other scriptures that all nations go totalitar-
  ian before the FINAL END, and the interests
  of "the king of the north" and "the king of
  the south" merge together, with religion on
  top as the binding tie . It means a federation
  of the world ; and there are already published
  expressions and signs at hand that
  this shall take place at the world peace conference,
  for which the Vatican's chieftain is
  grooming himself. "
  
  So the believe in a totalitarian super power has not been forgotten in 1942, it has been forgotten since by JW, who want us to believe that Knorr has had some power of prediction in 1942: It is naturally false.
  
  To see another quote of New World in english see http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Le_Monde_Nouveau
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  WTBTS Official Testified in the US Congress that Rutherford is Inspired

  by Leolaia in

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  2. scandals

  mr. goux.

  mr. goux.

  mr. goux.

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  chasson

  An example of change concerning the Rutherford conspiracy theory:
  
  In 1932, in Vindication Volume 2, commenting Ezechiel 26-28, Rutherford said that Tyre represent the Big Business, and among the men who controlled it some Jews.
  
  In 1937, in Ennemies, in connexion with Isaie 26, Tyre has been identified first to all the Satanic Organisation, and few pages after, to the Catholic Church.
  
  A major flip-flop in only 5 years (and even in two page of the same book).
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  When Rutherford was cited by Coughlin and the Fascist Poet Pound

  by chasson in

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  in vindication volume ii, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers rothschild to some banker in united states.

  rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the civil war.

  (pages 170 to 179 of vindication volume ii) .

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  chasson

  Just another question: What was "the Populist movement" the old man that Rutherford was talking about seems to have had some implication in it ?
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  When Rutherford was cited by Coughlin and the Fascist Poet Pound

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in vindication volume ii, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers rothschild to some banker in united states.

  rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the civil war.

  (pages 170 to 179 of vindication volume ii) .

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  chasson

  Thanks for you research dilaceratus, you have convinced me.
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  C T Russells Divorce

  by chicken little in

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  can anyone give me a thread on the courtcase that dealt with russells divorce?

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  chasson

  This booklet in pdf for example: http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Readers_of_Zion_Watchtower
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  WTBTS Official Testified in the US Congress that Rutherford is Inspired

  by Leolaia in

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  mr. goux.

  mr. goux.

  mr. goux.

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  chasson

  For me, it seems there a switch in the theology of Rutherford around 1935, concerning his conspiracy theory:
  
  It seems that he saw, from 1931-35, the Anglo-american empire (Big Business with some jews at his head - Vindication Volume 2 Pages 52-57) as the main tool of the Devil. He criticized more the Protestant clergy than the Catholic clergy at this time (I have still not found my note but i still think that we can find a kind of declaration of Rutherford in this manner in Preparation).
  
  Even if it is possible that he has made perhaps the change relatively slowly and with some contradictions in his own writing, in the year 1938-40, the main ennemy were the totalitarian governments ("the disguting things"), and the real conspirators were the Jesuit, and not surpinsigly for everyone, he was really anti-catholic. The favorite quote of Consolation at this time was "The Converted Catholic" from Lehmann.
  
  My surprise in reading the book Preparation and Vindication is provoked by the generalisation of the critics against "the clergy of christendom", the catholic clergy is not proeminent.
  
  Sorry for my english.
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  When Rutherford was cited by Coughlin and the Fascist Poet Pound

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in vindication volume ii, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers rothschild to some banker in united states.

  rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the civil war.

  (pages 170 to 179 of vindication volume ii) .

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  chasson

  If the "Hazar Circular" is a true document and not a forgery, it is allegly published in 1862. The letters are from 1863.
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  When Rutherford was cited by Coughlin and the Fascist Poet Pound

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in vindication volume ii, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers rothschild to some banker in united states.

  rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the civil war.

  (pages 170 to 179 of vindication volume ii) .

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  chasson

  In Vindication Volume II, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers Rothschild to some banker in United States. Rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the Civil War. (pages 170 to 179 of Vindication Volume II)
  
  
  I have searched where Rutherford has found these letters, he said that it was published in an missourian newspaper in 1890, and mentioned an old men living in New-York as the man who has revealed these letters.
  
  
  Couglin has made mention of these letters in "Money!" published in 1936. Ezra Pound, a fascist poet, has made reference to them in his canto 46 from his book "The Fifth Decade of Cantos" (1937). For a biography of this man see: http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/161
  
  
  I have found no reference prior to the book of Rutherford (1932), i am inclined to think that it is the source of the others, that Coughlin and Pound have read the book of Rutherford and cited him (without mentionned him)
  
  
  For an interesting review of this passage: http://books.google.com/books?id=My2rlb0bnx0C&pg=RA2-PA268&lpg=RA2-PA268&dq=rothschild+ikleheimer&source=web&ots=Ul9TLbMtd8&sig=fzGaq8YASk4weFfB-kcsL-bpvak#PRA2-PA268,M1
  
  
  Sorry, i am on firefox, copy and paste the links in your browser.
  
  
  
  
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  Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?

  by Olin Moyles Ghost in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  over the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.

  in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.

  this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.

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  chasson

  The transcriptw of the Walsh Trial and Moyle trial in Pdf are here:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Documents_libres_de_droit
  
  Sorry i am on Firefox, copy and paste the link in your browser.
  
  Bye
  
  Charles