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  New York Times June 22, 1918

  by Nathan Natas in

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  20 years in prison for 7 russellites.

  judge howe scores men who.

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  chasson

  Well, it is more complicated.
  
  Rutherford has not clearly said no to alternative service at this time, he has claimed that because the president Wilson has not explained clearly what he means by "alternative service", a bible student could refuse it (and not should refuse it).
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  New York Times June 22, 1918

  by Nathan Natas in

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  20 years in prison for 7 russellites.

  judge howe scores men who.

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  chasson

  For me this is Russell who has changed his mind in 1916, in response of the problem of young bible student in england, for example, i have cited several Watchtower in this article:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Service_militaire
  
  Here are the quotes for the slowly change of mind of Russell:
  
  
  "# Before the war we recommended to the brethren that in the event of hostilities they should, so far as possible, if drafted, request positions in the hospital service or in the supplies department, where they could serve the Government efficiently; whereas, if they were ordered to the firing line, they would not be obliged to shoot to kill. We have reasons for believing that these suggestions are being followed and that meantime the brethren are using the opportunities for proclaiming to their companions in military service the blessed message of the soon-to-be-established kingdom of Christ, for the blessing of all the families of the earth" Tour de Garde 1er Avril 1915
  # ^ "Some have inquired in respect to the situation in connection with the manufacture of war ammunition. Our advice Io them has been to avoid engaging in such work as this,except as the money would be absolutely necessary to provide food and shelter for their families and themselves. And then, taking such a situation merely as a matter of neeesqly, we recommend that it be vacated as speedily as somcthing else can lie found, no matter how poor the pay, if it will provide life’s necessities" Tour de Garde du 1er Septembre 1915
  # ^ In SCRIPTURES STUDIES, Vol. VI., we have set forth a suggestion that the followers of Christ seek by every proper means to avoid participation in war. We there suggested the possibility, but that in the event of conscription the Lord’s followers should use all their influence toward obtaining positions in the Hospital Corps or in the Provision Department of the army, rather than in the actual warfare. We suggested further that if it were impossible to avoid going into the trenches, it would still not be necessary to violate the divine requirement, "Thou shalt do no murder." We have been wondering since if the course we have suggested is the best one. We wonder if such a course would not mean compromise. We reflect that to become a member of the army and to put on the military uniform implies the duties and obligations of a soldier as recognized and accepted. A protest made to an officer would be insignificant--the public in general would not know of it. Would not the Christian be really out of his place under such conditions?" Tour de Garde du 1er Septembre 1915
  # ^ "But," some one replies, "If one were to refuse the uniform and the military service tie would be shot." We reply that if the presentation were properly made there might be some kind of exoneration; but if not, would it be any worse to be shot because of loyalty to the Prince of Peace and refusal to disobey his order than to be shot while under the banner of these earthly kings and apparently giving them support and, in appearance at least, compromising the teachings of our heavenly King? Of the two deaths we would prefer the former--prefer to die because of faithfulness to our heavenly King. Certainly the one dying for his loyalty to the principles of the Lord’s teachings would accomplish far more by his death than would the one dying in the trenches. We cannot tell how great the influence would be for peace, for righteousness, for God, if a few hundred of the Lord’s faithful were to follow the course of Shadraeh, Meshach and Abednego, and refuse to bow down to the god of war" Tour de Garde 1er Septembre 1914
  # ^ "We are not urging this course. We are merely suggesting it. The responsibility fully belongs with each individual. We are discharging our responsability toward many Bible students who are inquiring of us respecting the mind of the Lord on this subject" Tour de Garde 1er Septembre 1915 (i have deleted quotes concerning the case of England)
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  New York Times June 22, 1918

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  20 years in prison for 7 russellites.

  judge howe scores men who.

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  chasson

  In the same time read the testimony of Van Amburgh in the pre-trial of 1918:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Image:Trial-1918-707.jpg
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Image:Trial-1918-709.jpg
  
  
  A major contradiction.
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  New York Times June 22, 1918

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  20 years in prison for 7 russellites.

  judge howe scores men who.

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  chasson

  If you want to read the letter of Rutherford advising to a young bible student to be shot, go here:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Image:Trial-1918-1222-ruth-1.jpg
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Image:Trial-1918-1222-ruth-2.jpg
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?

  by Olin Moyles Ghost in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  over the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.

  in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.

  this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.

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  chasson

  Here is the consolation where the moyle trial is mentionned:
  
  http://cchasson.free.fr/deposit/consolation/Consolation%20December%2020,%201944.pdf
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  Consolation on Demand

  by chasson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .

  here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.

  this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".

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  New scan. Consolation January 21, 1942:
  
  http://cchasson.free.fr/deposit/consolation/Consolation%20January%2021,%201942.pdf
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  league of nations

  by buffalosrfree in

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  2. bible

  awhile back there was a reference to the older wt's abt league of nations please to help

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  chasson

  If you want to examine precisely the path to the League of nation= bad in 1919, go here:
  
  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/ONU#La_g.C3.A9n.C3.A8se:_La_Soci.C3.A9t.C3.A9_des_Nations
  
  The text is in french but the Watchtower references are in english so you can understand the slowly move to the critic of the league by rutherford.
  
  Bye
  
  Charles
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  Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?

  by Olin Moyles Ghost in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  over the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.

  in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.

  this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.

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  chasson

  Atlantis i have a copy of it too, if you want that i scan a part ?
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  C T Russells Divorce

  by chicken little in

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  can anyone give me a thread on the courtcase that dealt with russells divorce?

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  chasson

  The Pdf is in english !!
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  The UN is on the verge of banning religion - JWs favorite rumor

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the un is on the verge of banning religion.. why is this rumor constantly being brought up by the jws?.

  the un does not have the power to ban religion, such an act would go against its very charter and its declaration of human rights.. many of the member nations are islamic and would never vote to ban religion as it would undermine their own very existence.. so the idea that the un would or could ban or even consider banning religion is unrealistic.

  never going to happen.. but the jws have been whispering that "the un is going to ban religion" for decades....why?

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  To be true, Leolaia i have read to quickly your post, this is really a good explanation !!