Posts by ThomasCovenant

for months now i have been dropping hints here and there that i am not pleased with many things happening in the org, but i would always present it from a concerned jw prospective.

my wife wants us to remain closet jw's because she has bigger reservations of displeasing her family than i do, and wants to continue playing the game.. yesterday however my wife wasn't around, and for the 100th time my mom was ragging on me for attending one of my best friend's weddings because he was marrying a non jw, and the fact that his df'd brother was there.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Personally I feel it is better to be honest. But everyone is different.

''At the district convention there were half a dozen times where I wanted to jump out of my seat and yell at the top of my lungs, "liars!!!".''

My last series of meetings and assemblies I attended I felt exactly the same.

Thomas Covenant

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Quickfire Questions to ask JW's at your door?

by ThomasCovenant in

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occassionally (very) i have met jw's that don't know me and i would like to ask them something to make them think.. any suggestions for quick, simple, thought provoking questions to ask jw's that you may meet?.

i seem to remember 'v' did a youtube question along the lines of,.

''how can you belong to a religion that allows blood fractions to be transfused?''.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Occassionally (very) I have met JW's that don't know me and I would like to ask them something to make them think.

Any suggestions for quick, simple, thought provoking questions to ask JW's that you may meet?

I seem to remember 'V' did a youtube question along the lines of,

''How can you belong to a religion that allows blood fractions to be transfused?''

Any others?

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Watchtower Funeral Talk Outline.

by ThomasCovenant in

does anyone know if the funeral talk outline has been changed from the one shown on doc bob's site (s-3 11/90).

http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=content&pa=showpage&pid=20.

thomas covenant.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Does anyone know if the funeral talk outline has been changed from the one shown on Doc Bob's site (S-3 11/90)

http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=20

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Why I can see no reason to believe in Christianity

by free2beme in

those of us on this board, who live in the united states, know this country has a lot of christian history attached to it's founders and current political state of things.

if i look in the yellow pages, under christianity, in the church section and browse the listed selection; i will quickly notice that the large majority of options are christian based in one way or another.

with this said, more then likely you are working with christians, living next door to them or related to them in your life.

ThomasCovenant

Me neither.

It is based 100% on child sacrifice.

Please don't deny it.

Thomas Covenant

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Save lives by NOT preaching! Help me find the article....

by LtCmd.Lore in

hello, i've been away a long time.

it's 3 am right now so i don't have time to explain my year long hiatus.

sorry.. i just need to ask a question real quick.. ok, so basically the witnesses believe that if you are not contacted by jehovah's witnesses, then jehovah will judge you based on your heart condition, instead of your service as a witness.. so if you go knock on someones door and teach them the "truth" then they are now required to be a jehovah's witness or they will die at armageddon.

ThomasCovenant

Hi,

Hopefully Interesting quote (I think) from Watchtower 1952 June 1st page 347.

The Society appear to tackle head on a flaw in their preaching. However, they put forward the scenario which I agree with but their answer is sadly unconvincing. It appears their main rebuttal is that the watchman would lose his life for not preaching. Yes, but what about the 999 lives saved as opposed to only 1? What greater love could a witness have than to sacrifice his own chance of everlasting life on a paradise earth knowing he has saved many others. It's certainly greater love than shown by Little J who died for 3 days then was resurrected in the twinkling of an eye. Surely to continue to preach is totally selfish. Not to preach results in others being saved but the Witness dying.

If ignorance during this present judgment period is an excuse and is going to mean a resurrection for ignorant ones in the millennial reign, would it not be advantageous to let all remain ignorant now? If all those not personally preached to now and who are slain by Jehovah at Armageddon are going to return in the resurrection of mankind, why preach now at all? Even those who oppose the view that all Armageddon’s slain are forever dead will admit that those hearing but not accepting the witness now will perish eternally at Armageddon. Just for the sake of reasoning together, adopt their view for a moment. We preach to one thousand persons now, and perhaps one accepts the truth, while all the others reject it and die forever at Armageddon. But if we refrained from preaching to this one thousand, all would die at Armageddon but all would return in a resurrection, not having heard the message. Surely when they returned in that new world far advanced toward perfect paradise, with no corrupting humans around and demonic influence gone, so our opposers would incline to think and say, many more than one of that thousand would conform to new world requirements. Maybe only one would refuse. So why preach now and save one out of a thousand? Why not be silent now and save 999 out of a thousand?

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That, of course, would be folly. It would mean eternal destruction for the witness who remained silent. It means the stones would cry out the warning, if the watchman class failed to do so. (Ezek. 33:7-9; Luke 19:40) The gospel-preaching is going to be done earth-wide, for Jehovah says so. And whether it is done on the basis of personal or family or community responsibility, the peoples of all nations are going to be separated into “sheep” and “goat” classes, for Jehovah says so. Those whom he slays at Armageddon will remain forever dead, for his prophetic pictures made at the time of the Flood and at the time of

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Note that John 5:28, 29 limits resurrections to those “in the memorial tombs”. This means that only those whose existence Jehovah retains in his memory will be resurrected, which remembrance is indicated or symbolized by the expression “memorial tombs”. That is why criminals considered unworthy of a resurrection were unceremoniously tossed into the , or Gehenna, where their bodies were consumed, unlamented, unburied, without any tomb to remind of or memorialize their former existence. So those not “in the memorial tombs”, or not thus symbolized as being in God’s memory, will not be remembered at resurrection time. What this means to us today is that those now living in this time of judgment and who fail for one reason or another to take a stand for Jehovah, and are therefore slain by him at the battle of Armageddon, will not be retained in his memory for a resurrection. That this group will include the majority of humans now living on earth is shown by Jeremiah 25:33: “The slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.” These vast numbers slain by Jehovah and likened to dung strewn over the earth could hardly be considered as being “in the memorial tombs” for Christ to remember and call forth during the Millennium. He does not remember dung.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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The Problem I have with 'Christians', 'Muslims',and 'Jews'. Of ALL varieties.

by ThomasCovenant in

abraham was prepared to cut the throat of his son because 'god' told him to.. once you accept that as perfectly natural and normal you can accept anything.

absolutely anything.

no questions asked.. some accuse witnesses of being sneaky and underhanded.

ThomasCovenant

Thanks for the replies.

Reniaa said, and I admire her for saying it as it is,

'Abraham was willing to kill his son, yes his faith in God was that total'

but thats my point exactly. Thank you.

It follows, it seems to me, that a Christian, Muslim, Jew could equally say;

'Abraham was willing to .............torture, rape, pillage, abuse, enslave..........his son, yes his faith in God was that total' (Let the reader fill in whatever blanks he wants)

Or

'Thomas Covenant was willing to .......torture, rape, pillage, abuse, enslave, kill............other people, yes his faith in God was that total'. ( Let the reader fill in whatever blanks he wants)

The more total your faith in the God of Abraham the more you should be willing to do.

Nothing will be off limits. No act of depravity, if told to do so by 'God', would be disallowed.

Am I missing something?

Thomas Covenant

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The Problem I have with 'Christians', 'Muslims',and 'Jews'. Of ALL varieties.

by ThomasCovenant in

abraham was prepared to cut the throat of his son because 'god' told him to.. once you accept that as perfectly natural and normal you can accept anything.

absolutely anything.

no questions asked.. some accuse witnesses of being sneaky and underhanded.

ThomasCovenant

Thanks for the replies.

Reniaa said, and I admire her for saying it as it is,

'Abraham was willing to kill his son, yes his faith in God was that total'

but thats my point exactly. Thank you.

It follows, it seems to me, that a Christian, Muslim, Jew could equally say;

'Abraham was willing to .............torture, rape, pillage, abuse, enslave..........his son, yes his faith in God was that total' (Let the reader fill in whatever blanks he wants)

Or

'Thomas Covenant was willing to .......torture, rape, pillage, abuse, enslave, kill............other people, yes his faith in God was that total'. ( Let the reader fill in whatever blanks he wants)

The more total your faith in the God of Abraham the more you should be willing to do.

Nothing will be off limits. No act of depravity, if told to do so by 'God', would be disallowed.

Am I missing something?

Thomas Covenant

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The Problem I have with 'Christians', 'Muslims',and 'Jews'. Of ALL varieties.

by ThomasCovenant in

abraham was prepared to cut the throat of his son because 'god' told him to.. once you accept that as perfectly natural and normal you can accept anything.

absolutely anything.

no questions asked.. some accuse witnesses of being sneaky and underhanded.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Abraham was prepared to cut the throat of his son because 'God' told him to.

Once you accept that as perfectly natural and normal you can accept anything. Absolutely anything. No questions asked.

Some accuse Witnesses of being sneaky and underhanded. No, they are just doing what they think is pleasing to their rendition of 'God'. Theirs nowt wrong with that, is there?

Some people accuse Muslim fanatics who behead and stone people as being, well, fanatics. No, they are only doing what they think is pleasing to 'God'. There's nowt wrong with that, surely?

If a person tried to justify rape and child abuse as there way of pleasing their 'God' how can you argue against that?

What's good enough for Abe is good enough for me. Isn't it?

Yesterday I heard a commotion going on at my neighbours. I decided to investigate.

Imagine my surprise as I entered the house to find my mate Pete trying to cut his eighteen year old son's head off with the bread knife.

I was a little shocked to say the least. But Pete reassured me that it was all ok as a voice inside his head told him to do it as a gesture of goodwill.

Luckily the toast popped out of the toaster, like in Pulp Fiction, just as Pete, with the knife high above his head and the steel glinting in the setting sun was about to bring it down across the taut neck of the terrified teenager.

This seemed to bring Pete round a little and he decided to eat the toast instead of butchering his child.

I quietly left the house and ummed and ahhed over whether I should report Pete to the police and hopefully testify in court against him so that he can be locked away in a high security mental institute for the criminally insane for the rest of his natural life. I couldn't decide whether to call from a public call box or not.

Instead I decided to follow in his footsteps.

Abraham is viewed as a good guy, I think, by Christians, Muslims and Jews alike.

Am I wrong to find it hard to respect Pete, Abraham, Christians, Muslims and Jews?

Praise Jah you people.

Thomas Covenant